Rakim or Nas

[ShaDoW1]

I'm having a debate with my cousin, I believe that Rakim is the better emcee, but his ignorant ass refuses to give him any credit. Who do you think is the better emcee? Rakim or Nas? Thanks.

[HHS]

Nas has more range and depth in his songwriting, and a more nuanced delivery. At this point, he's also shown greater longevity than Rakim, who had an amazing 5 year run, but hasn't dropped an album since 1999, and hasn't dropped a great album since the early 90's (The 18th Letter was only good, in my opinion, and the Master was only so-so).

Sure, someone can of course say, accurately, that Nas wouldn't have a style without Rakim. But, that doesn't mean he can't surpass him, like Rakim surpassed his predecessors. Nas took Rakim's style, mixed in some Kool G Rap, and some unique Nas, and he's run off with it.

[Tony_Stylezzz]

I like them both but I would have to go with Rakim

[God]

rakim would lyrically ripp nas a new a**hole.

[Bx_Monster_77]

nas no doubt.

[Jaguar]

Nas speaks the truth.

[jerseypags]

Nas all day...

[devsmac]

draw because both artists hit different perspectves

[Thug T]

I think Nas has the edge just because of his longevity. Rakim only has 2 albums (solo that is) compared to Nas' 9. Plus Nas got more classic songs.

[blumani0612]

nas it is

[blumani0612]

why is this in the movie/tv spot?

[BWS Soldier]

um Nas, but wrong section

[GST]

Nas..and I'm an old school nigga...I like Nas's flow better

[GST]

Nas speaks the truth.


and Rakim doesn't ?

[TheKastOne]

Rakim speaks the false. JK, they are both ill but I listen to Nas more, so there is my biased vote.

[chirpflare]

nasty

[Block]

lets see..on my all time top mcees list rakim is #1 but on my personal favs nas is #1..
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[Prsfinest]

and Rakim doesn't ?

nas put out more albums if rakim still fu*k with dre then maybe.:blunt::blunt:

[Hawk75]

Rakim

[knowledgesup]

Both are nice, but I prefer NaS.

[TBone]

Nas is cool, but I gotta go with Rakim.

[ShaDoW1]

nas put out more albums if rakim still fu*k with dre then maybe.:blunt::blunt:

if you really think about it Rakim basically put out 6 solo albums, Eric B. just did the producing.

[Thistle]

nas...

[blumani0612]

if you really think about it Rakim basically put out 6 solo albums, Eric B. just did the producing.

look at the time difference between the last eric b and rakim album and rakim solo album...plus those albums arent lyrically great, theyre considered classic cuz they were apart of the stepping stones of rap imo

[ShaDoW1]

look at the time difference between the last eric b and rakim album and rakim solo album...plus those albums arent lyrically great, theyre considered classic cuz they were apart of the stepping stones of rap imo

time is completely irrelevant in this discussion but
'I take 7 mc’s put em in a line
And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme
Well, it’ll take 7 more before I go for mine
And that’s 21 mc’s ate up at the same time'

[blumani0612]

time is completely irrelevant in this discussion but
'I take 7 mc’s put em in a line
And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme
Well, it’ll take 7 more before I go for mine
And that’s 21 mc’s ate up at the same time'

Time does matter. Nas reused that line better and I'm pwning you in this thread

[ShaDoW1]

Time does matter. Nas reused that line better and I'm pwning you in this thread

lmfao time matters about who is the best mc...?
and how come if nas is the better rapper he is re-using Rakim lines from '86?

[blumani0612]

lmfao time matters about who is the best mc...?
and how come if nas is the better rapper he is re-using Rakim lines from '86?

Time matters in rakims case cuz he hasn't dropped an album in ten years. He reused takins line cuz he was able to use it better

[ShaDoW1]

Time matters in rakims case cuz he hasn't dropped an album in ten years. He reused takins line cuz he was able to use it better

he still reused it, because he thought it was sick, right?

it doesn't matter that he hasn't drop an album every year or two like nas just to get sales because hes a corporate bi*ch.

[blumani0612]

he still reused it, because he thought it was sick, right?

it doesn't matter that he hasn't drop an album every year or two like nas just to get sales because hes a corporate bi*ch.

he reused it to perfect it*. krs drops an album every year while nas drops one every 2 years and you still claim krs as ur number 2. so youre a hypocrite for saying that. also nas comes out with albums when he has something to say, and he gets it out. if it takes rakim ten years to do so, then he obv isnt capable of dropping an album

[ShaDoW1]

he reused it to perfect it*. krs drops an album every year while nas drops one every 2 years and you still claim krs as ur number 2. so youre a hypocrite for saying that. also nas comes out with albums when he has something to say, and he gets it out. if it takes rakim ten years to do so, then he obv isnt capable of dropping an album

the difference is that you never hear about krs's albums, he has no major backing. Nas puts out albums for SALES that's it. Illmatic and Stillmatic were sick, all his other albums were straight trash. If i could quote someone in this thread, Rakim would tear Nas a new a**hole.

[blumani0612]

the difference is that you never hear about krs's albums, he has no major backing. Nas puts out albums for SALES that's it. Illmatic and Stillmatic were sick, all his other albums were straight trash. If i could quote someone in this thread, Rakim would tear Nas a new a**hole.

you never hear about them cuz krs sucks compared to nas. you hear about nas cuz people expect them. he doesnt do it for the sales cuz he's said, he doesnt care if he sells one or one million copies. nas's first 3 albums were straight classic. stillmatic was too. and so was untitled. rakim isnt tearing anyone a new a**hole until he's able to drop an album

[ShaDoW1]

you never hear about them cuz krs sucks compared to nas. you hear about nas cuz people expect them. he doesnt do it for the sales cuz he's said, he doesnt care if he sells one or one million copies. nas's first 3 albums were straight classic. stillmatic was too. and so was untitled. rakim isnt tearing anyone a new a**hole until he's able to drop an album

after those statements you should just stop talking...

and rakim's 6 albums were overall better than Nas's 9

[blumani0612]

after those statements you should just stop talking...

and rakim's 6 albums were overall better than Nas's 9

nope. none of rakims albums amounts to any of nas's

[blumani0612]

i guess i should take into account the fact that you dont listen to rap outside of ur top 5 rappers so i cant expect you to know that much about rap......

[ShaDoW1]

i guess i should take into account the fact that you dont listen to rap outside of ur top 5 rappers so i cant expect you to know that much about rap......

yup you called KRS garbage and said Untitled was a classic. you should just stop talking since you obviously are trying to defend something with no knowledge :)

[ShaDoW1]

oo ya you also bought Cam'rons album...hahahahah talk about not knowing anything about rap :laughing5::laughing5::wow::wow::sad-smiley-060::sad-smiley-060:

[blumani0612]

i didnt say he sucks. i listen to him. but he rambles about the same sh*t so his albums stopped being good. and cam>>>.

[blumani0612]

I'm having a debate with my cousin, I believe that Rakim is the better emcee, but his ignorant ass refuses to give him any credit. Who do you think is the better emcee? Rakim or Nas? Thanks.

1. u call anybody that doesnt like rakim ignorant
2. i give him the credit he deserves, you def overrate him. he def isnt the goat

[sal]

This is a hard decision for me but, I gotta go with Nas. i've seen both these guys perform together in concert at Rock The Bells. During the show The hosts announce that Rakim was in a car accident (most likely BS he was just running late), and when he finally shows 2 hrs later with Kid Capri he starts his show off with "don't sweat the technique" then he abruptly stops because of problems with the sound system. After numerous attempts to perform. Both Kid Capri & Rakim get really irritated and tells the crowd they gotta jam outta there. Can't say i blame hem though I would’nt wanna perform when the music is pumping out nothing but distorted bass and static crap. So they tried a few minutes after they left and had it working no problem....not impressed but hey I guess it happens, Nas puts on a soild performance but i did notice alot of voice overs that i did'nt notice for other performers mostly for his chorus. But trying to make an unbiased choice and judging just from their albums I think Nas has a bt more of a mello and relaxed style which appeals to me a bit more.

[ShaDoW1]

1. u call anybody that doesnt like rakim ignorant
2. i give him the credit he deserves, you def overrate him. he def isnt the goat

nope just you because your stupid, how you going to give him credit and say that his albums with Eric B. aren't good lyrically? Have you ever heard them or do you just skim through them? Rakim is like the Michael Jordan of rap, not only was he the greatest basketball player(rapper) but also an ambassador for the game, they both changed their respective professions in a way that no one has before or will ever. That's why he is the GOAT

[blumani0612]

nope just you because your stupid, how you going to give him credit and say that his albums with Eric B. aren't good lyrically? Have you ever heard them or do you just skim through them? Rakim is like the Michael Jordan of rap, not only was he the greatest basketball player(rapper) but also an ambassador for the game, they both changed their respective professions in a way that no one has before or will ever. That's why he is the GOAT

you dont understand that rap was fairly new when rakim came out, he did change the rap game ill give him that but so did alot of other people in that era. i have heard them and i think dont sweat the technique was their best one based on lyrics. the majority of his work with eric b on those albums had nursery rhyme lyrics. thats why i say u can only compare his 2 solo albums to any of nas's work lyrically. illmatic changed the game more than rakim did, rappers had to step their game up after illmatic.

[ShaDoW1]

you dont understand that rap was fairly new when rakim came out, he did change the rap game ill give him that but so did alot of other people in that era. i have heard them and i think dont sweat the technique was their best one based on lyrics. the majority of his work with eric b on those albums had nursery rhyme lyrics. thats why i say u can only compare his 2 solo albums to any of nas's work lyrically. illmatic changed the game more than rakim did, rappers had to step their game up after illmatic.

illmatic was sick but Ra was rhyming like 6 syllable worlds while the others in that era were using basic words and just yelling on the mic.

[blumani0612]

illmatic was sick but Ra was rhyming like 6 syllable worlds while the others in that era were using basic words and just yelling on the mic.

so ur telling me the eric b and rakim albums didnt have nursery rhyme raps...cuz thats how it sounded to me

[ShaDoW1]

so ur telling me the eric b and rakim albums didnt have nursery rhyme raps...cuz thats how it sounded to me

that's what I'm telling you

[blumani0612]

that's what I'm telling you

so u lost?

[ShaDoW1]

so u lost?

nope:blunt:

[blumani0612]

nope:blunt:

i think you did cuz u proved my point:laughing19:

[ShaDoW1]

i think you did cuz u proved my point:laughing19:

how is that

[blumani0612]

how is that

u lose

[ShaDoW1]

u lose

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[blumani0612]

http://www.gooogIe.co.uk/?gid=418732&hl=en&meta=o&q=Ignorant

http://www.gooogie.co.uk/?gid=418738&hl=en&meta=o&q=Rakim%20The%20Best%20Rapper

[blumani0612]

this dude has mad no knowledge of what ignorant is. u call me ignorant cuz rakim is a sucky rapper then i call u ignorant cuz u think the same for nas.

[ShaDoW1]

pwnd i used something and you did the same exact thing PWND!!

[blumani0612]

i used it better

[ShaDoW1]

i used it better

pwnd!

[blumani0612]

nope plus u still lost this thread

[ShaDoW1]

nope plus u still lost this thread

pwnd!

[blumani0612]

pwnd!

= you

[ShaDoW1]

July 20th>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[blumani0612]

July 20th>>>>>>>>>>>>>

stfu nobody is anticipating that sh*t. distant relatives>>>>

[Kartoon]

Call me when Nas makes a decent album again, been 15 years.

[blumani0612]

Call me when Nas makes a decent album again, been 15 years.

call me when u recognize what real rap is

[ShaDoW1]

Call me when Nas makes a decent album again, been 15 years.

hahahahahahahaaahha

call me when u recognize what real rap is

pwnd! again

[blumani0612]

hahahahahahahaaahha



pwnd! again

nigga made a thread about me and lost, nigga thinks i got pwnd

[ShaDoW1]

nigga made a thread about me and lost, nigga thinks i got pwnd

pwnd!

[blumani0612]

lmfaooooo @ ur need to say pwnd when u lost
Rakim lost:laughing9:

[ShaDoW1]

lmfaooooo @ ur need to say pwnd when u lost
Rakim lost:laughing9:

you got pwnd

[blumani0612]

hokay buddy

[GST]

a page and a half dedicated to who got pwnd and who didn't! :nuts:

[ShaDoW1]

a page and a half dedicated to who got pwnd and who didn't! :nuts:

hahhahaha

[LifeLessons]

ima have to roll w/ nas

[blumani0612]

^ur a smart man

[skullduggery]

love nas but picking rakim.......

[blumani0612]

:angry27:^^

[Kartoon]

call me when u recognize what real rap is

This kid probably bought HHID and "Untitled" and thought they were both AOTY's lol...figures that the kid with the Nas sig is the one who took offense :sleeping-smiley-004

And this other kid from CT with a fu*king pokemon avy is crying about who got "pwned"


Don't even really need to say anything else :laughing5:

[blumani0612]

This kid probably bought HHID and "Untitled" and thought they were both AOTY's lol...figures that the kid with the Nas sig is the one who took offense :sleeping-smiley-004

And this other kid from CT with a fu*king pokemon avy is crying about who got "pwned"


Don't even really need to say anything else :laughing5:

If i recall correctly, in another thread you had said, Wu-Tang and everyone else from the 90's should retire. Shows how much you know. You go in every thread and try to sound like a smart ass. You're on bx all day long so that goes to show that you have no life other than to try to make urself sound smart on an internet forum. Untitled>>>Your life. HHID was dope.:wow:

I did not take offense. I'm simply defending nas. Plus this thread is about me u fu*k. Go back and read the first post.

[FuNkY WoRm]

I go with Nas. Imo his perfection multi-syllable rhymes and his versatility with subject matter is what puts him over.

[ShaDoW1]

This kid probably bought HHID and "Untitled" and thought they were both AOTY's lol...figures that the kid with the Nas sig is the one who took offense :sleeping-smiley-004

And this other kid from CT with a fu*king pokemon avy is crying about who got "pwned"


Don't even really need to say anything else :laughing5:



lmao who the fu*k are you...??Dude got a pirate hat on holding his whiskers on his chin thinkin hes a big boy

[Kartoon]

Lmao, you know you're an idiot when.


Yea that's me in my avy and you're a yellow duck


Idiot :rolllaugh:

[ShaDoW1]

Lmao, you know you're an idiot when.


Yea that's me in my avy and you're a yellow duck


Idiot :rolllaugh:

My bad didn't know that was you chillin with tupac down there.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[ShaDoW1]

faggot

[blumani0612]

it prolly is. that pic matches ur e-personality. i could totally picture u being a half retarded kid that dresses up when he plays WoW and takes pics:smh:

[blumani0612]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn97/ixaeveaxi/gaylocks.jpg

:laughing5:that could be him too

[ShaDoW1]

lmao you found him yo

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[GST]

so is the discussion over? cuz if yall jus gonna beef I can close this thread

[blumani0612]

no its not over. we're waiting for some more responses. right now nas is winning. We're aiming to see who the first to fifty is, then you can close it.:mj: once kartoon enters a thread, he tries to start beef but he fails horribly. he is sorry.

[-Illest-]

nas nigga

[twuny8fave]

Rakim

[mendeswil3]

nas but im pretty sure da old school ppl will disagree n i cant argue.

[L.or.D]

Nas, Rakim will always be that dude but his work ethic is beyond suspect, Nas matches him as far as talent and surpasses him with his body of work.

[ShaDoW1]

Nas, Rakim will always be that dude but his work ethic is beyond suspect, Nas matches him as far as talent and surpasses him with his body of work.

Please explain how his body of work surpasses Rakim's, and how his work ethic is suspect.

[musichild]

Nas all the way

[ak1]

nasty

[blumani0612]

Nas won

[blumani0612]

Please explain how his body of work surpasses Rakim's, and how his work ethic is suspect.

nas's albums>rakims

is that even a question?

[illogik]

Gucci Mane>>>>>

/thread

[blumani0612]

Gucci Mane>>>>>

/trash

Fixed

[gwill23]

The student will never be better the teacher. Nas, is a good MC as matter of fact he is in my top 10. Rakim is the greatest, too many MCs stole for him. Shall I name MC's. To me is it like asking is "Kobe better than Micheal", Kobe can win 10 rings and he will never be better than Mike. Im sorry Nas but I think it was 2pac who said "Nas your style was bitten......Rakim".

[ShaDoW1]

nas's albums>rakims

is that even a question?

ya it is because Rakim's albums changed the game what did Nas' albums ever do for the game? And don't give me that sh*t about Illmatic being the first album with no FAMOUS guest appearances, Nas did it by himself. In Paid in Full Rakim had no guest appearances period, unless you count Eric B. who said all of like 300 words through the whole four albums, and that sh*t was in '86. Illmatic came out in '94.

[Magnificent Phoenix]

nas has more range and depth in his songwriting, and a more nuanced delivery. At this point, he's also shown greater longevity than rakim, who had an amazing 5 year run, but hasn't dropped an album since 1999, and hasn't dropped a great album since the early 90's (the 18th letter was only good, in my opinion, and the master was only so-so).

Sure, someone can of course say, accurately, that nas wouldn't have a style without rakim. But, that doesn't mean he can't surpass him, like rakim surpassed his predecessors. Nas took rakim's style, mixed in some kool g rap, and some unique nas, and he's run off with it.

^ this man said it best

[blumani0612]

ya it is because Rakim's albums changed the game what did Nas' albums ever do for the game? And don't give me that sh*t about Illmatic being the first album with no FAMOUS guest appearances, Nas did it by himself. In Paid in Full Rakim had no guest appearances period, unless you count Eric B. who said all of like 300 words through the whole four albums, and that sh*t was in '86. Illmatic came out in '94.

I wouldn't say he changed this game cuz the game was still being formed in the 80's. He set the bar for rap but nas most definitely perfected what was started. You mean to tell me Paid in Full>>>Illmatic? It was great at that era, not compared to what rap turned into.

[dcm2192]

i must say, props to this thread
finally a debate worth talking, non of this 'drake vs. gucci mane' sh*t

anyways, i think nas is better. He has more replay value to his songs in general and a far larger catologue. Whoever said the student is never better than the teacher, sorry but thats just false. Just cause you are a teacher doesnt mean you necessarily know the sh*t youre teaching. Not saying rakim didnt know what he was teaching, obviously its the exact opposite, but teaching someone and being the best are very different things. Would he be the same without Rakim? Obviously not. But thats not the argument

Nas is the better of the two. I personally dont believe there is a best of all time, but I supposed at gun-point id say nas.

[Shea-bird]

I'm shocked so many people think Nas is a better lyracist than Rakim. Nas' new albums suck balls. I bet when the new Rakim drops you boys are gonna change your minds.