Why Biggie was Better than 2Pac Debate

[sickamorstyle]

Throughout hip hop there have been many debates on who was the best, who is the best, and who will be the best. Depending on what time period it is there have been different answers thrown around. However one debate that has never come to a close is the debate on who is better between two fallen icons who at the time of their deaths were involved in a bitter feud. Of course I’m talking about the greatest rapper of all time The Notorious B.I.G. and one of the greatest performers of all time Tupac Shakur. I believe that of those two, Biggie was a superior rapper and here’s why.


Lyrics
When it comes to the lyrical aspect of the game B.I.G. has this one hands down. His creativity on songs like “Suicide Thoughts” and the vivid scene he painted on “Niggas Bleed” show that B.I.G. was on another level. Add to that the fact that he didn’t write any of his rhymes down makes it even more mind boggling. With Pac on the other hand he was a lyricist but to me he just didn’t have the vocab that B.I.G. did or at least he didn’t show it.

The Flow
B.I.G. didn’t have a flow. That is to say he didn’t have one flow that you could say “That’s a Biggie flow”. And this is not an accident. People who worked with Biggie say he custom fitted every track with a different flow. Listen to the ease in which he glides over the beat to “Hypnotize”. Now listen to the choppy baritone he puts on “Kick In The Door”. Totally different right? Now listen to “Hit Em Up”. Listen to “Scandalous”, “Me Against The World”. It all sounds the same as far as flow goes. And who wants the same thing over and over again? Not me. I feel this is due to a different process of song making which brings me to my next point.

B.I.G. Rapped From The Mind, Tupac Rapped From The Heart
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What I mean by this is that it seemed like B.I.G. put a lot more thought into what he was going to say and how he was going to say it. Even those closest to Pac say that he would just go in the studio hear a beat one time and immediately you would see his pen writing and then 15 minutes later he’d go in the booth and knock out a song. Now how much reflection and thought do you think goes into a song when it’s done like this? Did he really have time to dig deep and think why is he saying what he’s saying. Not really. However B.I.G. did and it shows. He didn’t just say he was a nigga out there sellin drugs. He let you know why. “I know how it feels to wake up fu*ked up…baby on the way, mad bills to pay.” He gave you both the rhyme and reason instead of just the end action. This also allowed him more time to consider the flow for each song which once again makes each song a new experience for his fans.

Tupac Was An Actor
Bottom line, in today’s world of TMZ exposures and Smoking Gun Exposes’, Tupac wouldn’t of lasted a year. A former ball dancer who trained at one of the nation’s top dance and acting schools with no criminal record and admittedly extremely limited street experience who suddenly tats THUG LIFE on his stomach and now screams out “Nigga I hit em up!”….yeah you see where this is going. We’d see headlines on all the blogs in no time, “Pics of Pac In A Tutu?” Hip Hop is based on realism and bottom line is the story that Pac presented wasn’t real.

He was a talented writer and actor and figured out he could apply both of those to this music sh*t and do very well. And he did. However B.I.G. was still doing what he was rapping about even after he got a deal. I think that’s also why B.I.G. was able to give us that vividness that was missing from Pac’s lyrics. Like I said anyone can say they sold drugs. But when your telling us how selling drugs is affecting your relationship with your mom and how it sucks being out in the winter rain when you’ve only made $30 bucks in 4 hours, it kinda makes it stick a little more feel me. This is what Biggie provided, the whole picture.

B.I.G. Knew Who He Was, Pac Had No Clue
Ouch. I know I fu*ked a lot of ya’ll up with that one huh? But walk with me. As said before Hip Hop is based on realism and consistency. We wanna know who you are. Not who those are around you or who you wanna be. Firs point. Pac was controlled by whoever he was around at that time. Tupac is from New York. He lived there until he was around 12 or so then he moved to Cali. That is why on his first record he is shouting out “all my rooftop niggas” and reppin NY to the fullest, even shooting all his videos and recording the album there. Then when he gets to Death Row and the West Coast is poppin suddenly, he’s an East Side Rider and all that da-da-da-da sh*t. B.I.G. was from Brooklyn, repped Brooklyn and stayed reppin Brooklyn. Ain’t no switchin sides over there.

Second Point, and the foulest sh*t Pac ever did in my opinion. He switched out on Biggie and maybe even caused both of their deaths. When Pac was in jail Suge and Puffy started up a war. When Pac got out he immediately jumped on the bandwagon and started ridin on Big and Puff too. We all know the ridiculous claim. Two millionaires (B.I.G. and Puff) set Pac up to get robbed for like 5 G’s in gold chains at a recording studio…right! A.K.A. my spotlight is fading and I need something to talk about quick! Pac allowed Suge to manipulate him into starting one of the most pointless and unfortunate rap beefs of all time. However this once again goes back to Pac not really knowing who he was, because if he did he could of stood on his own two and done the right thing. As said before in hip hop we wanna know who you are. Not who those are around you or who you wanna be.

Don’t get me wrong both of these men were incredible talents who each brought something different to the game. I’m not a Pac hater. I have all of his albums and could recite at least 50 of his songs by memory. But there can only be one when it comes to who was the best, and in my opinion that was The Notorious B.I.G.

[samsin420]

fu*k that little bullsh*t article. Pac>Big

[guncity]

i gotta disagree with fam above me ,, B.I.G. >>pac

[KINGofNYC]

i gotta disagree wit u

pac>>>big

[samsin420]

i gotta disagree with fam above me ,, B.I.G. >>pac


I can respect your opinion. This and or any article can twist sh*t around,to try to attack ones persona,but in the end I believe its pretty obvious who the better artist was. Pac was so much more talented then Big.

[sickamorstyle]

oh and Biggie smalls basically created and was Jr.Mafia alone.. he wrote most of all the lyrics

[CashNy]

Their is no point in a debate its all puffery

its a opinion big is better not a fact

and pac did know who he was he was a poet.

Brendas got a baby, keep ya head up, unconditional love, letter to my unborn child
dear mama, cali love, i aint mad atcha, shorty wanna be a thug.

I can go on for days im from brooklyn i love bigs music but u cant compare them

pac lyrics are like movies they are deep. So deep he has a college course studying his life and music

[CashNy]

and most of bigs music was fantasy music for niggas who dont live in the real world
all that cristal popping sh*t is cool. but everyone life isnt a party. and thats what i respected about pac

he can make some sh*t for the clubs then turn around and make u think, laugh and cry
on one album

i cant lie pac touched me more than big with the music

[MelloYelloMD]

Its an Op-Ed piece but one I have to agree with. I would have loved to have seen where age/experience would have taken them but for what it's worth, even though his catalog is smaller, I think B.I.G. was better (IMO).

[Rajj]

B.I.G. Rapped From The Mind, Tupac Rapped From The Heart
The author of the article is entitled to their opinion but I believe the above quote to be accurate and that is my opinion also.

[bigteezy]

Tupac (The G.O.A.T) Shakur..............PERIOD!!!!!!!

[draglee]

i thot i was the only one that thot that way biggie>pac

[Airmaxpenny1]

Pac was much more than just a rapper he was tryin to start the fu*kin revolution man. Pac did more for the movement than Biggie ever could have. As a lyricist, Big might have been better, but thats about the only category Big could ever beat Pac in. Period.

[sickamorstyle]

Pac was much more than just a rapper he was tryin to start the fu*kin revolution man. Pac did more for the movement than Biggie ever could have. As a lyricist, Big might have been better, but thats about the only category Big could ever beat Pac in. Period.

:iagree:
Revolutions return and movement is a motion..Motion always stops..They both were rappers and you just said, biggie was better..that was the whole point of me posting "why Biggie was Better than 2Pac".. :ernaehrung004: :celebrate13: :blunt:

[danny]

That article is garbage. Don't be idiots and confide in that bullsh*t.

[sickamorstyle]

That article is garbage. Don't be idiots and confide in that bullsh*t.

Im not trying to bash Pac or anything close to that.Is what it is.spades a spade.Is any of it false or even distorted?facts or just opinion?You have your own opinion.No need to get all upset about it..why do pac fans bash biggie? I'm sure I have never heard or read about any biggie fans bashing pac...

[danny]

Im not trying to bash Pac or anything close to that.Is what it is.spades a spade.Is any of it false or even distorted?facts or just opinion?You have your own opinion.No need to get all upset about it..why do pac fans bash biggie? I'm sure I have never heard or read about any biggie fans bashing pac...

What are you talking about? I'm not bashing anyone. The article is just retarded bullsh*t and, yes, there are false statements there.

[sickamorstyle]

Care to elaborate on false details, that make this article "retarded BS"?Because i thought i nailed it in a nut shell.

[danny]

Lyrics, flow, and Tupac not knowing who he was is all false and so what if Tupac acted? He's a multi-talented/dimensional person.

[sickamorstyle]

:nope:Okay dude, The facts are followed by logical opinion..Its the honest truth.It doesn't have to taste good..Plus you only listed what you feel are the false details and never went into further detail on why..I'm trying to understand.

[God]

pac hands down was better the biggie , biggie had the story tellin skills but even then hes out done by slick rick, and biggie had elementary school rhymes. if biggie was still alive and didnt have the cult following he has, he wouldnt be sh*t.

[samsin420]

Im not trying to bash Pac or anything close to that.Is what it is.spades a spade.Is any of it false or even distorted?facts or just opinion?You have your own opinion.No need to get all upset about it..why do pac fans bash biggie? I'm sure I have never heard or read about any biggie fans bashing pac...


The whole article is dedicated to trying to compare BIG to Pac. Which,wouldn't be a bad thing,if only the author wasn't obviously a BIG fan. There's nothing in this article thats attacking and or trying to point out BIGs flaws. One sideed as all hell. At the end of the day,all this sh*t is opinion. It's the never ending debate.

[Scream @ Me]

I'll put it like this - lyrically, Big was ahead of Pac.

But, Pac had depth, meaning, and heart in his music - therefore, making him the better artist to me.

:shrug:

[TIP2009]

lol ya'll talking about dudes who been dead for 10 years, I think it's disrespectful as all fu*k...look, biggie ran the east, pac had a bunch of people, more than biggie behind him...w/e, they were both sick in their own time...but let's be real...either of them vs jay or ti? they'd get murdered today....it's like...leave it where it was, and let them rest in peace....they were good, they deserve it....if ya'll still talking about it 15 years after the first of 'em was murdered....obviously neither was better than the other, a quantative answer doesn't take overa decade to construct....on top of which...they both last 8 years max....jay's at 15 since he first started...um...yeah enough said, and get something important...shiiiit

[samsin420]

did you just say t.i.? :rolllaugh: I wouldn't expect different being what your username is but for fu*ks sake man get a grip. Btw this is a hip hop forum. We'll be discussing Pac and Biggie till the end of time. Jay is not in no way shape or form better then these 2 though. Its' almost blasphemy to compare.

[sickamorstyle]

did you just say t.i.? :rolllaugh: I wouldn't expect different being what your username is but for fu*ks sake man get a grip. Btw this is a hip hop forum. We'll be discussing Pac and Biggie till the end of time. Jay is not in no way shape or form better then these 2 though. Its' almost blasphemy to compare.


What about this, lol..soldier boy?
yea im actually not young, im just more of a PAC fan then i ever was a biggie , biggie to me had elementary school rhymes, if it wasnt for his great story telling skills i'd put him in the same category as soldier boy

[sickamorstyle]

lol ya'll talking about dudes who been dead for 10 years, I think it's disrespectful as all fu*k...look, biggie ran the east, pac had a bunch of people, more than biggie behind him...w/e, they were both sick in their own time...but let's be real...either of them vs jay or ti? they'd get murdered today....it's like...leave it where it was, and let them rest in peace....they were good, they deserve it....if ya'll still talking about it 15 years after the first of 'em was murdered....obviously neither was better than the other, a quantative answer doesn't take overa decade to construct....on top of which...they both last 8 years max....jay's at 15 since he first started...um...yeah enough said, and get something important...shiiiit

13 years and it no way close to being disrespectful..Pac had been around longer than biggie, so its only natural for him to have more fans, no?..You must be out of you fu*king mind to think that jay or ti would slay biggie in present day.. One could throw biggies past work on damn near any track and still kill them on their own sh*t.. blahh blahh blahh, dude say something important."shiiiit"

[sickamorstyle]

pac hands down was better the biggie , biggie had the story tellin skills but even then hes out done by slick rick, and biggie had elementary school rhymes. if biggie was still alive and didnt have the cult following he has, he wouldnt be sh*t.

Hands down on the desk get hit with rulers by the teacher..elementary school rhymes your ass..If if if nothing, its what it is.

[Airmaxpenny1]

:iagree:
Revolutions return and movement is a motion..Motion always stops..They both were rappers and you just said, biggie was better..that was the whole point of me posting "why Biggie was Better than 2Pac".. :ernaehrung004: :celebrate13: :blunt:

It depends on how you classify a great rapper. Lyricism is just one category. That is a pretty close minded way to think about who was a better rapper. You are treating the situation like its black and white and it is not that simple to differentiate Big and Pac. And I have no idea what you are talking about after that. But Big was not better than Pac. Pac was on that powerful sh*t man.

[sickamorstyle]

It depends on how you classify a great rapper. Lyricism is just one category. That is a pretty close minded way to think about who was a better rapper. You are treating the situation like its black and white and it is not that simple to differentiate Big and Pac. And I have no idea what you are talking about after that. But Big was not better than Pac. Pac was on that powerful sh*t man.

just because of what pac talks about makes him the best?thats dumb, biggie is what today's rapper wishes to be, no disrespect, but no one ever says they wanna rap like pac, and thats because hes more of an activist/rapper.....No one can honestly sit there with a straight face and say pac is more lyrical then biggie, period, plain and simple..... pac was mad because he knew biggie was moving in on his spot, and pac couldnt do sh*t to stop it... biggie was becoming a star faster then pac thought it could happen....what biggie had to say wasn't the normal sh*t you hear about, so people enjoyed hearing it, pac is better on his own terms.

[danny]

:nope:Okay dude, The facts are followed by logical opinion..Its the honest truth.It doesn't have to taste good..Plus you only listed what you feel are the false details and never went into further detail on why..I'm trying to understand.

Well, I'm not hating on Biggie or anything, but you just seem to be hating on Tupac, which is just a failure in itself, to be honest.

How can it be the "honest truth" when they're not even true? :lol: That's like saying water is dry when it's really wet.

Lyrics. Tupac's lyricism is one of the best any emcee/rapper ever had. The things he talked about in his songs mostly pertained to everyday life and what was happening in the world at that time. Plus, he put all of what he thought into good verses, choruses, etc.

Flow. Whatever he said sounded good. I really can't think of one song where his flow was a problem or even remotely bad.

Tupac knew who he was. Like I said, he was a multi-talented/dimensional person and he recognized that. He took every opportunity that came his way to be successful in something. A lot of industry artists acted/act so I don't see why this is such a different thing.

[danny]

lol ya'll talking about dudes who been dead for 10 years, I think it's disrespectful as all fu*k...look, biggie ran the east, pac had a bunch of people, more than biggie behind him...w/e, they were both sick in their own time...but let's be real...either of them vs jay or ti? they'd get murdered today....it's like...leave it where it was, and let them rest in peace....they were good, they deserve it....if ya'll still talking about it 15 years after the first of 'em was murdered....obviously neither was better than the other, a quantative answer doesn't take overa decade to construct....on top of which...they both last 8 years max....jay's at 15 since he first started...um...yeah enough said, and get something important...shiiiit

:rolllaugh: @ that TI comment. TI is in no way, shape, or form better than either Tupac or Biggie. You must be out of your mind to think that. Also, this isn't a "quantitative" debate so there would never be a quantitative answer. It's takes an eternity to and more to find an answer to a question based mostly on opinions.

just because of what pac talks about makes him the best?thats dumb, biggie is what today's rapper wishes to be, no disrespect, but no one ever says they wanna rap like pac, and thats because hes more of an activist/rapper.....No one can honestly sit there with a straight face and say pac is more lyrical then biggie, period, plain and simple..... pac was mad because he knew biggie was moving in on his spot, and pac couldnt do sh*t to stop it... biggie was becoming a star faster then pac thought it could happen....what biggie had to say wasn't the normal sh*t you hear about, so people enjoyed hearing it, pac is better on his own terms.

You must not listen to much rap/hip-hop then. I hear a lot of people say they would like to have been as good and rap about what Tupac rapped about. When it all comes down to it, though, lyricism doesn't account for much when you have two very good lyricists on the table. Plus, like said, lyricism is only a small part of being an emcee. You need to have all of the parts in order to be great. Tupac just had more than Biggie did so that's what makes this article untrue, biased, and ass-backwards.

Tupac wasn't mad at all about that. Tupac had his own following and Biggie had his own. Tupac wasn't talking about normal sh*t either. I don't understand how that could even pertain to anything, though.

[lzrich]

Pac was better and I felt his music more than Bigs. Most of the stuff the article writer is saying is simply not true.

[sickamorstyle]

You must not listen to much rap/hip-hop then.

I guess not.. and im not at all hating on pac, not at all...If you call a fat person fat, its rude, but true..Bobby Boucher

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHcc6mv2KLc

[sickamorstyle]

Pac was better and I felt his music more than Bigs. Most of the stuff the article writer is saying is simply not true.

Ive asked this question before to others how is anything in the article untrue.

[danny]

I guess not.. and im not at all hating on pac, not at all...If you call a fat person fat, its rude, but true..Bobby Boucher

:lol: @ you thinking you're NOT hating on Tupac. That's basically all you're doing. It's just like a hater, too, to say they're not when they clearly are.

Sure, but what you're saying doesn't rival that "fat" analogy. You're just straight up hating and not pointing out any real flaws.

[MrServon]

failed post.

wtf does this have to do with news and headlines.

[cashprice04]

just because of what pac talks about makes him the best?thats dumb, biggie is what today's rapper wishes to be, no disrespect, but no one ever says they wanna rap like pac, and thats because hes more of an activist/rapper.....No one can honestly sit there with a straight face and say pac is more lyrical then biggie, period, plain and simple..... pac was mad because he knew biggie was moving in on his spot, and pac couldnt do sh*t to stop it... biggie was becoming a star faster then pac thought it could happen....what biggie had to say wasn't the normal sh*t you hear about, so people enjoyed hearing it, pac is better on his own terms.


man you got to be on crack almost every rapper to day has stolen there swagg from Pac. Some of them doing it and don't even know they are doing it. Such as flashing all your tatts in your videos Pac started that sh*t. Also you put your album together where you have your party track your love song and your fallen soldier song. Pac damn near started the having different varieties to your albums. Back in the day a lot of rappers albums was so one dimensional.

[sickamorstyle]

:lol: @ you thinking you're NOT hating on Tupac. That's basically all you're doing. It's just like a hater, too, to say they're not when they clearly are.

Sure, but what you're saying doesn't rival that "fat" analogy. You're just straight up hating and not pointing out any real flaws.

wow, nice try at flipping the situation dude..The only thing that im clearly saying is pac isnt better than BIG..80% of you fu*kers are naive...I feel like i'm arguing with some little knuckle headed kids on Xbox..jokes on me though.I went way to far combating this sh*t.And the fat analogy thing, was me trying to let you understand in Layman's terms..


failed post.

wtf does this have to do with news and headlines.

failed post??? sh*t im surprised you didnt say some sh*t like uber pawn poned or any of them other lame ass internet lingo BS.As far as the tile goes i feel it appropriate, cause "if ya dont know, now ya know" you know the rest..Epiphany

man you got to be on crack almost every rapper to day has stolen there swagg from Pac. Some of them doing it and don't even know they are doing it. Such as flashing all your tatts in your videos Pac started that sh*t. Also you put your album together where you have your party track your love song and your fallen soldier song. Pac damn near started the having different varieties to your albums. Back in the day a lot of rappers albums was so one dimensional.

Its not about who started anything duuuude.Yea,Pac schooled big on the aspect of covering the most ground when creating albums...Its about who did it better as a rapper.

[kip99]

Throughout hip hop there have been many debates on who was the best, who is the best, and who will be the best. Depending on what time period it is there have been different answers thrown around. However one debate that has never come to a close is the debate on who is better between two fallen icons who at the time of their deaths were involved in a bitter feud. Of course I’m talking about the greatest rapper of all time The Notorious B.I.G. and one of the greatest performers of all time Tupac Shakur. I believe that of those two, Biggie was a superior rapper and here’s why.


Lyrics
When it comes to the lyrical aspect of the game B.I.G. has this one hands down. His creativity on songs like “Suicide Thoughts” and the vivid scene he painted on “Niggas Bleed” show that B.I.G. was on another level. Add to that the fact that he didn’t write any of his rhymes down makes it even more mind boggling. With Pac on the other hand he was a lyricist but to me he just didn’t have the vocab that B.I.G. did or at least he didn’t show it.

The Flow
B.I.G. didn’t have a flow. That is to say he didn’t have one flow that you could say “That’s a Biggie flow”. And this is not an accident. People who worked with Biggie say he custom fitted every track with a different flow. Listen to the ease in which he glides over the beat to “Hypnotize”. Now listen to the choppy baritone he puts on “Kick In The Door”. Totally different right? Now listen to “Hit Em Up”. Listen to “Scandalous”, “Me Against The World”. It all sounds the same as far as flow goes. And who wants the same thing over and over again? Not me. I feel this is due to a different process of song making which brings me to my next point.

B.I.G. Rapped From The Mind, Tupac Rapped From The Heart
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What I mean by this is that it seemed like B.I.G. put a lot more thought into what he was going to say and how he was going to say it. Even those closest to Pac say that he would just go in the studio hear a beat one time and immediately you would see his pen writing and then 15 minutes later he’d go in the booth and knock out a song. Now how much reflection and thought do you think goes into a song when it’s done like this? Did he really have time to dig deep and think why is he saying what he’s saying. Not really. However B.I.G. did and it shows. He didn’t just say he was a nigga out there sellin drugs. He let you know why. “I know how it feels to wake up fu*ked up…baby on the way, mad bills to pay.” He gave you both the rhyme and reason instead of just the end action. This also allowed him more time to consider the flow for each song which once again makes each song a new experience for his fans.

Tupac Was An Actor
Bottom line, in today’s world of TMZ exposures and Smoking Gun Exposes’, Tupac wouldn’t of lasted a year. A former ball dancer who trained at one of the nation’s top dance and acting schools with no criminal record and admittedly extremely limited street experience who suddenly tats THUG LIFE on his stomach and now screams out “Nigga I hit em up!”….yeah you see where this is going. We’d see headlines on all the blogs in no time, “Pics of Pac In A Tutu?” Hip Hop is based on realism and bottom line is the story that Pac presented wasn’t real.

He was a talented writer and actor and figured out he could apply both of those to this music sh*t and do very well. And he did. However B.I.G. was still doing what he was rapping about even after he got a deal. I think that’s also why B.I.G. was able to give us that vividness that was missing from Pac’s lyrics. Like I said anyone can say they sold drugs. But when your telling us how selling drugs is affecting your relationship with your mom and how it sucks being out in the winter rain when you’ve only made $30 bucks in 4 hours, it kinda makes it stick a little more feel me. This is what Biggie provided, the whole picture.

B.I.G. Knew Who He Was, Pac Had No Clue
Ouch. I know I fu*ked a lot of ya’ll up with that one huh? But walk with me. As said before Hip Hop is based on realism and consistency. We wanna know who you are. Not who those are around you or who you wanna be. Firs point. Pac was controlled by whoever he was around at that time. Tupac is from New York. He lived there until he was around 12 or so then he moved to Cali. That is why on his first record he is shouting out “all my rooftop niggas” and reppin NY to the fullest, even shooting all his videos and recording the album there. Then when he gets to Death Row and the West Coast is poppin suddenly, he’s an East Side Rider and all that da-da-da-da sh*t. B.I.G. was from Brooklyn, repped Brooklyn and stayed reppin Brooklyn. Ain’t no switchin sides over there.

Second Point, and the foulest sh*t Pac ever did in my opinion. He switched out on Biggie and maybe even caused both of their deaths. When Pac was in jail Suge and Puffy started up a war. When Pac got out he immediately jumped on the bandwagon and started ridin on Big and Puff too. We all know the ridiculous claim. Two millionaires (B.I.G. and Puff) set Pac up to get robbed for like 5 G’s in gold chains at a recording studio…right! A.K.A. my spotlight is fading and I need something to talk about quick! Pac allowed Suge to manipulate him into starting one of the most pointless and unfortunate rap beefs of all time. However this once again goes back to Pac not really knowing who he was, because if he did he could of stood on his own two and done the right thing. As said before in hip hop we wanna know who you are. Not who those are around you or who you wanna be.

Don’t get me wrong both of these men were incredible talents who each brought something different to the game. I’m not a Pac hater. I have all of his albums and could recite at least 50 of his songs by memory. But there can only be one when it comes to who was the best, and in my opinion that was The Notorious B.I.G.big wasn't a damn millionaire lol they set pac up no calls when yo nigga get shot no prison visits dn't that sh*t sound foul homey? thats yo nigga almost died yo nigga in prison but fu*k it i ain't gonna talk to that nigga or see him da fu*k outta here

[bibbyboi]

The only people who say Big is better than Pac are East Coast people....everywhere else it's basically common knowledge that Pac was better than Big....

Also i think people forget that Pac killed a cop....I mean it doesn't get any realer than that...I bet most of these rappers now would of took the ass whooping and let it be...Pac stood up for his rights....

[samsin420]

The only people who say Big is better than Pac are East Coast people....


I mean,I didn't wanna crush the thread starters dreams but I'm 99% sure dudes from NY.


"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools,cause people from a distance can't tell who's who"

[sickamorstyle]

I mean,I didn't wanna crush the thread starters dreams but I'm 99% sure dudes from NY.


"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools,cause people from a distance can't tell who's who"


"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools,cause people from a distance can't tell who's who"-jay z

I almost wrote this myself..

Im not from NY but WI presently..I started out listening to Rap in about 4th grade(im 28 now).Raised in N. Las Vegas NV.I have stood where pac was shot.Pac died in the hospital my youngest brother was born in.Then lived in Boston for a few years after that.. Dorchester stand up.Music was a large part of my life.. pac,biggie,nas and wu-tang mostly..This doesn't prove sh*t about where your from, its your mentality..

[SKePTiC]

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools,cause people from a distance can't tell who's who"-jay z

I almost wrote this myself..

Im not from NY but WI presently..I started out listening to Rap in about 4th grade(im 28 now).Raised in N. Las Vegas NV.I have stood where pac was shot.Pac died in the hospital my youngest brother was born in.Then lived in Boston for a few years after that.. Dorchester stand up.Music was a large part of my life.. pac,biggie,nas and wu-tang mostly..This doesn't prove sh*t about where your from, its your mentality..

First & foremost... much respect & love to both fallen legends. They both obviously touched the world or we wouldn't still be discussing them today. But since this is all based on opinion, lemme throw mine in: Pac > Biggie

And no disrespect intended, but Juicy was even laughed at by his mom cuz they never lived in a one room shack and other sh*t that was said. So as far as Biggie only spittin the truth and Pac dancin in a tutu, i jus gotta smh at that sh!t. Aint knockin your opinion, but don't label sh!t as fact when in fact it's opinion. ~1~

[sickamorstyle]

First & foremost... much respect & love to both fallen legends. They both obviously touched the world or we wouldn't still be discussing them today. But since this is all based on opinion, lemme throw mine in: Pac > Biggie

And no disrespect intended, but Juicy was even laughed at by his mom cuz they never lived in a one room shack and other sh*t that was said. So as far as Biggie only spittin the truth and Pac dancin in a tutu, i jus gotta smh at that sh!t. Aint knockin your opinion, but don't label sh!t as fact when in fact it's opinion. ~1~

well said its about time some one said something constructive..

[doitbigthen05]

This article is very interesting. I honestly think that both of them were genius, ahead of their time. This article is opinion based so people shouldn't take to much offense to it because, me myself, I didn't know neither of them personally. But you can't really say Pac didn't know himself and Biggie did. Then you pretty much called Pac fake, because of the school he went to as a kid? I don't know to much about that, But the Pac I knew made good music, spit at the cameras, Busted back at the COPS, could claim both sides West and the East and was a friend of Biggies. So if this article was coming from Biggie then I could understand. But I don't think you knew either one of them that well, Or did you you? I don't know.

[Airmaxpenny1]

Bottom line your logic is faulty, you are wrong and everyone knows your wrong. Deep in your own heart you know your wrong. Pac was the fu*king man and you know that sh*t. Get over urself dude "Your Dead Wrong". Hows that for you?




just because of what pac talks about makes him the best?thats dumb, biggie is what today's rapper wishes to be, no disrespect, but no one ever says they wanna rap like pac, and thats because hes more of an activist/rapper.....No one can honestly sit there with a straight face and say pac is more lyrical then biggie, period, plain and simple..... pac was mad because he knew biggie was moving in on his spot, and pac couldnt do sh*t to stop it... biggie was becoming a star faster then pac thought it could happen....what biggie had to say wasn't the normal sh*t you hear about, so people enjoyed hearing it, pac is better on his own terms.

[sickamorstyle]

Bottom line your logic is faulty, you are wrong and everyone knows your wrong. Deep in your own heart you know your wrong. Pac was the fu*king man and you know that sh*t. Get over urself dude "Your Dead Wrong". Hows that for you?

LOL, my self doesn't have sh*t to do with it..I know to what extent I was wrong.it was intentional..Thing is, it was a debate that most of you's, failed to even attempt to tell me why the article was faulty and just sat back and said things like fu*k THIS ARTICLE and such or attempted to talk sh*t to/about me..No one really even said any thing creditable, except for their own opinion.I sent my props to the intelligent ones.So "Go get your shoe shine box and your sack of nickels". Hows that for you?

[Cashville2400]

Biggie was gifted too. Just not as damn gifted as the G.O.A.T...and thats Pac end of story. fu*k any article yall bring

[samsin420]

and said things like fu*k THIS ARTICLE


*takes deep breathe


Dude I mean,your lucky you got that outta me. Your so called article isn't even worthy of a response. Do you see how many people are shutting what your saying down? The people have spoken,and BIG was not better then Pac. You'll be ok after it marinates for a while.

[rhymespitter84]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rKP0JFQqGo

[DUNDUN]

The greatest rapper of all-time died on March 9th.

bump.......

[DUNDUN]

truth hurts... dats why all the pac fans come in here and talk shyt.... pac fu*ked his boys BM & yall defend dat type of dude. Where Im from dats way over the line. And is something real niggas don't do. Then he blamed biggie for getting robbed and Blamed biggie for da gats in da motel room. & the funny thing is their beef didnt start till biggie really outshined pac & pac knew it. so whos the real h8ter....pac made diss records big didnt. Even after pac died biggie showed love for pac.

bottom line is biggie was so much better then any1 else during his reign. The amount of h8te that comes with dat was tremendous and outlasted his life. When u on top every1 wants ur spot even ur so called former best friend and his fans even after their both dead....smh....

top 5 dead or alive
biggie
pun
pac
nas
big l

[danny]

truth hurts... dats why all the pac fans come in here and talk shyt.... pac fu*ked his boys BM & yall defend dat type of dude. Where Im from dats way over the line. And is something real niggas don't do. Then he blamed biggie for getting robbed and Blamed biggie for da gats in da motel room. & the funny thing is their beef didnt start till biggie really outshined pac & pac knew it. so whos the real h8ter....pac made diss records big didnt. Even after pac died biggie showed love for pac.

bottom line is biggie was so much better then any1 else during his reign. The amount of h8te that comes with dat was tremendous and outlasted his life. When u on top every1 wants ur spot even ur so called former best friend and his fans even after their both dead....smh....

top 5 dead or alive
biggie
pun
pac
nas
big l

Again, this is ALL OPINION, your opinion. There is absolutely NO fact(s) whatsoever in there.

Your opinion may be that Biggie was better, but in reality everything did and accomplished was much more than Biggie ever came close to.

The Biggie fans reaching to say that he was better are really the only ones getting mad.

[SKePTiC]

but on the real tho... i'm still LMFAO at the kid who said TI & Jay-z would murder Pac or Biggie today!!! Lmao you should be kickin rocks!!! :laughing9: :guns12:

[peetycrack]

in the pac/biggie era i listen to them both an pac made me feel (no matter threw the rain the sun still shine on a nigga) big made a nigga jus wonna dance thatz it . pac had a nigga gettn up every day hustle threw the storm lookn for(BETTER DAYZ) PAC tought niggaz how this crucked worldturn think niggaz then you will have you answer.:ernaehrung004:

[The Chosen 1]

Notorious... I loved Pac's work but he frauded alot. He was a poet but he didnt live 99% of what he talked about. He wasnt a thug. He was a creative arts student who knew how to articulate the feelings of what he observed. Everyone knows Big was a poor kid from Bedstuy who hustled and made it from the bottom. Pac is like Kanye tatting im so hood on his chest and writing dope gangster raps... love em both but real recognize real and it aint Pac.

[The Chosen 1]

in the pac/biggie era i listen to them both an pac made me feel (no matter threw the rain the sun still shine on a nigga) big made a nigga jus wonna dance thatz it . pac had a nigga gettn up every day hustle threw the storm lookn for(BETTER DAYZ) PAC tought niggaz how this crucked worldturn think niggaz then you will have you answer.:ernaehrung004:

Big made you want to dance? with Niggaz Bleed? Machine Gun Funk? Suicidal Thoughtz? Young G's? Who Shot Ya? How old are you and what Biggie did you listen to? He had like 10% commercial tracks and 90% hood sh*t. Come with a more thought out statement dude. Most of the bad that happened to Pac he brought on himself. Besides maybe the robbery. He got all pissed off after being convicted of a crime he committed. He sexually assaulted a woman. Then he gets out and goes all west coast and Suge puppeteers him and jerks him for his bread. Ask Snoop and Dre and everyone else who jumped the ship. Death Row was the real life Rapin U Records. Even Vanilla Ice got hung over a balcony and was forced to sign his sh*t over. Lots of people buy into the myth of Tupac. He was great at capturing the emotion of a situation. His parents were the revolutionaries though so all his anger was second hand. Pac was the worlds greatest studio gangster. Dispute that with facts.

[sickamorstyle]

DAMN..Take that, take that....... :mj: :guns13:

[norrisaurus]

KILLUMIN MOTHAfu*kING NATI ...!

[samsin420]

Everyone knows Big was a poor kid from Bedstuy who hustled and made it from the bottom. Pac is like Kanye tatting im so hood on his chest and writing dope gangster raps... love em both but real recognize real and it aint Pac.


Wow. Did you read dude's reply? :shrug: Bigs mom is on record saying that juicy sh*t was fake. :rolllaugh: And :smh: at comparing pac to kanye. :hang: yo self.


Big made you want to dance? with Niggaz Bleed? Machine Gun Funk? Suicidal Thoughtz? Young G's? Who Shot Ya? How old are you and what Biggie did you listen to? He had like 10% commercial tracks and 90% hood sh*t. Come with a more thought out statement dude. Most of the bad that happened to Pac he brought on himself. Besides maybe the robbery. He got all pissed off after being convicted of a crime he committed. He sexually assaulted a woman. Then he gets out and goes all west coast and Suge puppeteers him and jerks him for his bread. Ask Snoop and Dre and everyone else who jumped the ship. Death Row was the real life Rapin U Records. Even Vanilla Ice got hung over a balcony and was forced to sign his sh*t over. Lots of people buy into the myth of Tupac. He was great at capturing the emotion of a situation. His parents were the revolutionaries though so all his anger was second hand. Pac was the worlds greatest studio gangster. Dispute that with facts.


lmao @ naming 5 songs. Pac had a fu*king million songs pre-death row era that are sh*tting all over those Bigs tracks. What Pac where YOU listening to? :shrug: And please stop trying to say some sh*t about pac getting pimped when diddy was fu*king biggie with no vaseline as well. All that talk about popping bottles he was saying on Ready To Die was fu*king non sense. He wasn't seeing no real money till after he was already fu*king dead. There's no "myth" about Pac. Most artists rap about sh*t they see,not necessarily what they've done. :lol: @ you believing Big was the realest nigga that ever lived. You must really think he tied a New York Knick up while he was fu*king his wife,when all of a sudden dude came home,got tied up while his bi*ch got slapped and gagged then robbed him making dude pull stacks out the floor. :rolllaugh: Yea ok buddy.



DAMN..Take that, take that....... :mj: :guns13:


:fruit:

[illmatic45ACP]

Church!

[sickamorstyle]

:fruit:


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[peetycrack]

Big made you want to dance? with Niggaz Bleed? Machine Gun Funk? Suicidal Thoughtz? Young G's? Who Shot Ya? How old are you and what Biggie did you listen to? He had like 10% commercial tracks and 90% hood sh*t. Come with a more thought out statement dude. Most of the bad that happened to Pac he brought on himself. Besides maybe the robbery. He got all pissed off after being convicted of a crime he committed. He sexually assaulted a woman. Then he gets out and goes all west coast and Suge puppeteers him and jerks him for his bread. Ask Snoop and Dre and everyone else who jumped the ship. Death Row was the real life Rapin U Records. Even Vanilla Ice got hung over a balcony and was forced to sign his sh*t over. Lots of people buy into the myth of Tupac. He was great at capturing the emotion of a situation. His parents were the revolutionaries though so all his anger was second hand. Pac was the worlds greatest studio gangster. Dispute that with facts.



when i said dance not like really dance his first album witch i bought was good it made an nigga boop play it again you will see. PAC's (ALBULMS) GOT YOUR MIND ON THE WORLD AROUND YOU not just the hood cuz the world is bigger than the hood. Look outside those streets u looking at are you socially aware whats going on PAC GAVE YOU THAT BIG DIDNT that what i am saying . There both great in there own right.

[Teknique]

U faggots r lame Pac destroys Big there is no comparison. I look down on ppl who even try to compare the GOAT 2APc to the most overrated rapper of all time Biggie.

[sickamorstyle]

U faggots r lame Pac destroys Big there is no comparison. I look down on ppl who even try to compare the GOAT 2APc to the most overrated rapper of all time Biggie.

pac was all action, with no thought.shot 1st ask questions later type dude.he got them both killed..thats the only way he destroyed BIG..Think about sh*t first before you type it..cause you sound dumb.Go get "thug life" inked on your lower back, tuff guy..

[http://]

I respect one's opinion, but 90% of you are clowns. Not cause of your opinion, but how you present your opinion... "I look down upon anyone who disagrees with me"... "you're a faggot if you think different from my belief" -- ma'fu*kas are in need of a speech/debate class or two.

Anyway, being a New York dude, BIG simply appealed more to me. The differences between BIG and Tupac are too astronomical to compare the two. I'm a fan of Pac, I have a lot of respect for everything the dude has done and contributed to this beautiful genre, but I find myself bumpin' more BIG tracks and skippin' Pac's.

Don't get me wrong though, I think BIG was a disturbed cat (i.e.- Suicidal Thoughts) and he used to say some suspect sh*t, but when it comes to commuting home from the city (New York in particular) at like 9PM with nothing but an iPod, I got my "Ready To Die" on deck.

Stating one is better than the other as if it was a fact = :thumbsdow Grow up. There's no essay/editorial in this world extensive enough that can prove BIG is better than Pac (or vice versa) as if it was factual.

[sickamorstyle]

props...Well written"how you present your opinion"..I have much respect for you.Not because you prefer big over pac, but rather your thought and wisdom behind your words.

[samsin420]

being a New York dude, BIG simply appealed more to me. I find myself bumpin' more BIG tracks and skippin' Pac's.


Now not to call you out or anything,but your opinion is somewhat bias being that you live in NY,and BIG just so happens to be your favorite MC. When your born in a region,of course your going to bump and or relate to that artists music,being he is reppin your city and shouting it in all their rhymes,their music without a doubt is going to appeal to you more. With that said,I'm from the south. I most likely bump more Trick Daddy and Rick Ross then an average cat from the East Side or a dude that stays on the West coast. Now just because Trick screams 305 on dam near everything he says,does that mean I'm going to label him the Goat cause I reside in the 305 and or relate to his music :shrug: No,I'm not. My opinion on the whole debate is strictly on the outside looking in. I'm a huge fan of hip hop/rap. 27 about to be 28,and I've been bumping music from all regions since I was a kid.
Now the whole thing about bumpin' more BIG tracks and skippin' Pac's....thats just crazy. One reason being BIG had like a total of 50 tracks combined,from all 3 albums. I mean,even if your logic is BIG had better quality tracks,theres just not a whole lot of material out there to imo claim the best of anything :shrug: I mean,are you going to sit here and tell me BIG's library is better then Nas? I just don't see that. In comparison,I think there's a lot of East coast artists,that basically can be compared to BIG due to the lack of material. I don't care it was quality. If you play in the NFL for two years,and have 2 dynamite seasons,your ass is not in the hall of fame. Longevity is something that BIG regardless of the circumstances just doesn't have under his belt. Last reply fella's thank it Ez. :blunt:

[http://]

props...Well written"how you present your opinion"..I have much respect for you.Not because you prefer big over pac, but rather your thought and wisdom behind your words.

Thank you sir. :ernaehrung004:

Now not to call you out or anything,but your opinion is somewhat bias being that you live in NY,and BIG just so happens to be your favorite MC. When your born in a region,of course your going to bump and or relate to that artists music,being he is reppin your city and shouting it in all their rhymes,their music without a doubt is going to appeal to you more. With that said,I'm from the south. I most likely bump more Trick Daddy and Rick Ross then an average cat from the East Side or a dude that stays on the West coast. Now just because Trick screams 305 on dam near everything he says,does that mean I'm going to label him the Goat cause I reside in the 305 and or relate to his music :shrug: No,I'm not. My opinion on the whole debate is strictly on the outside looking in. I'm a huge fan of hip hop/rap. 27 about to be 28,and I've been bumping music from all regions since I was a kid.
Now the whole thing about bumpin' more BIG tracks and skippin' Pac's....thats just crazy. One reason being BIG had like a total of 50 tracks combined,from all 3 albums. I mean,even if your logic is BIG had better quality tracks,theres just not a whole lot of material out there to imo claim the best of anything :shrug: I mean,are you going to sit here and tell me BIG's library is better then Nas? I just don't see that. In comparison,I think there's a lot of East coast artists,that basically can be compared to BIG due to the lack of material. I don't care it was quality. If you play in the NFL for two years,and have 2 dynamite seasons,your ass is not in the hall of fame. Longevity is something that BIG regardless of the circumstances just doesn't have under his belt. Last reply fella's thank it Ez. :blunt:

Although it's your last reply in this thread, Sam, I'ma speak on this just to straighten some things out. BIG is far from my favorite rapper (Jay-Z is, but that's another story for another day) and I don't like him more than Pac because he shouts out NY, that'd be dumb of me.

You're absolutely right though, it's a matter of location and region. There's a huuuuuge difference between west coast music and east coast music -- 2 completely different origins and 2 completely different messages. Obviously if you're from one area, you're more likely to appreciate the music from that area over any other coast/side/city/etc. I guess I fall into that category.

I can't relate to sippin' gin and juice (for example), but I can relate to grindin' and tryin' to get out the Brooklyn projects and make a better life for myself and my family and friends.

I'm not being bias. Being bias would be saying BIG is better than Pac. I never said that. All I said was BIG appeals to me more. Is it cause I'm from NY? You're probably right. But in all fairness, I first moved to LA before coming to NY so I been on both ends of the debate.

As I said, I have a huge respect for Pac and everything he has contributed to the game and I love the dude's music. Far from a lyricist, but he has some amazing thought-provking heartfelt music that'll never be forgotten. For me to say BIG is better than Pac would be spitting on Pac's grave.

As far as BIG's longevity and all that, playing football for 20 years and being trash won't get you into the HOF either. I don't believe you should base it on who has more music out. For some people, one single BIG track (i.e.- Juicy) could change their entire lives while at the same time, they can listen to every single Pac discography and not be phased even the least bit.

Y'all giving the wrong answer to the wrong question. Who's truly better will never ever ever ever be concretely answered nor explained. Now, WHO APPEALS TO YOU MORE is whole other discussion that can easily be solved. Again, personally, BIG appeals to me more.

And for what it's worth, this is coming from a 20 year old Russian who got into hip hop in about '98. I listen to absolutely everything though.

[danny]

From one of my first replies I said that this debate isn't valid because you can't compare the two and the debate will just last an eternity or longer. People just want to debate over nothing, that's all.

[cam2307]

two tottally different style of rappers pac rapped wit more feelin tho pac then big

[dirtyglovethug]

big was creative, his metaphors and thought process were not something cemented in his era. if he still were around, his success would still continue and he would still be dominating the mainstream hip hop game. 2pac produced a lot more music, not to say that this negates thought in his work, but he was not as critical in that work he produced. look at immortal technique. perhaps his style, message, and revolution approach could be compared to 2pac's militant and politically charged lyrics. but immortal technique GENERALLY seems much more focused and refined in his work than 2pac. 2pac knew how to play his cards right in the media as did big, but big took his time with his projects. we could also argue that their album deliveries were influenced by each artist's management, which obviously death row was a much more demanding label. and in no means am i saying one is better than the other, just simply putting it out there that 2pac spit work out at the same speed and same level of self-criticality as lil wayne does in between the carter volumes (with the exception of dedication 1 & 2, 3 sucked). but 2pac did have his share of bullsh*t songs that were just for the party crew. big had his share of party songs too, but they were on a much more developed level. to say that "i get around" and "party and bullsh*t" fall into the same category would be ridiculous. look at the irony and underlying message through the last poets "when the revolution comes" sample used in "party and bullsh*t." stylistically big had that sh*t. overall, big would run sh*t still today. pac's straight and all, but i'd have to say big was more creative and influential in shaping what is now modern hip hop, not that soulja boy/gucci mane/LUDACRIS/mainstream rap bullsh*t.

and by the way, a bit off topic, but relative to what i was saying before, wayne puts out a lot of sh*t, but if you look into art movements and contemporary styles and things outside of just what reaches the surface lyrically, his developed works are actually works of hip hop, not rap. his use of funk and creative metaphors can easily trace back to the late 70's/early 80's roots of hip hop, just as big did in his work. wayne does put a lot of stupid, wasteful crap, i.e. all that young money bullsh*t and the garbage where he tries to be a rockstar with his sorry attempts to play the guitar, but he does know how to be a true artist. i'd love to argue this as well. i'd be glad to go deeper into all this some other time, but i gotta jet. just figured i would have some fun with this thread, first post. peace.

[heeznutz]

They both nice , there is no such thing as a GOAT .

[jayg36]

I truly don't understand how yall can say Pac didn't construct his songs well. What everyone seems to forget is that he died at age 25 and had more hits, by age 25, than any other rapper ever had by that age....please feel free to investigate.

He could listen to a track for a few minutes, and 15 minutes later, be in the booth recording songs like "Me and my girlfriend." But yall say Pac's not a lyricist. Jay-z does and yall try to call him the greatest rapper! Hmm........:confused12: Just because he wasn't into metaphors and similes heavy doesn't mean he's not a lyricist. And if you really wanna take it there I can go down a long fu*king list of niggas who could be considered better than Pac according to that theory. Cassidy, Lil Wayne, Juelz Santana, Joe Budden, Fabolous, Lloyd Banks, ect. ect. ect....do you see my point?

You say Pac fabricated his lifestyle but which one of your favorite rappers ever shot a cop?! Which one of your favorite rappers ever went to prison while their career was hot, got out, and bounced back with a classic album?! Don't worry I'll wait.... So please tell me where Big was realer, he rapped about being a drug kingpin but got locked up for robbing niggas on the New York trains. I aint never seen a drug kingpin do that!:lol: Pac got murdered after he was on video surveillance stompin a nigga out in a casino, but let yall tell it, "He was all talk." :smh2:

[crippled]

i gotta disagree wit u

pac>>>big

this is coming from someone named kingofnyc?

:confused12:

[Kartoon]

he's wasn't.


/topic

[TH35]

From one of my first replies I said that this debate isn't valid because you can't compare the two and the debate will just last an eternity or longer. People just want to debate over nothing, that's all.

Exactly what I was going to say. I can't even compare both. I listen to both like both equally. Both had great music both had two DIFFERENT styles.

[sickamorstyle]

I understand what all of you mean, how they aren't comparable and your right.two totally different styles and each rapped about different things, but nowadays biggs style has still been unmatched...I mean sh*t,I have seen more talented rappers in this day-n-age pay homage to big before pac.Why is that??what really irks the sh*t out of me about pac; more than any thing is that pac wasn't humble, big was...

his expressions
http://musiconplay.net/11/03/2010/ready-to-die-vs-life-after-death/
"BIGGIE WAS THE ONLY RAPPER I FEARED LYRICALLY" - NaS

[efromthev]

Impossible