TALIB KWELI: "The Convenience Of Comedy- Don't Be Fooled By Your TV!!!"

[nation]

Sunday, April 15, 2007


The Convenience Of Comedy- Don't Be Fooled By Your TV!!!

For those not familiar with the Willie Lynch letter, it was a business plan drawn up to ensure that blacks would remain in slavery forever. It explained to the slave owner that if you stripped an African of his/her religion and native tongue, made it illegal for an Arican to go to school or learn to read, separate husband from wife, mother from child, and play up differences like light vs. dark, that African would be in a state of mental slavery. There would be no need for chains, the African would have nothing to struggle against. The African would love his white master unconditionally because loving his master would be his only source of pride. The African would hate thyself, particularly the physical traits that exposed African heritage, such as big lips, big noses and black skin and nappy hair. The letter says that if you put these policies into practice on your plantation, the African will not only be mentally enslaved now, but for GENERATIONS TO COME.
This was systematic destruction of the black family. African women were treated as merely breeders, their husbands and babies sold off. They were routinely raped by their slave masters as used as unwilling concubines. As the African family was being dismantled, America traded in the plantation for industry and grew by leaps and bounds. No need for whips and chains, black people would become the country's biggest labor force and consumer source for free, and still love thy master. The ramifications of slavery and the mental damage it has caused is the biggest problem facing black people today. To be honest about how the past affects the present and future is not living in it. To ignore its affect is to be blind. It is the reason why the black family structure is broken, why we go to jail and fail standardized tests at alarming rates. It is the reason why we still think the white doll is nice and pretty and the black one is ugly and bad, in 2007. It is the reason we are racially profiled, and have higher infant mortality rates, and it is the reason we refer to each other as niggas and hoes.
On the flip, this destruction is also the cause of white priviledge in this country. It is silly to hold the son responsible for the sins of his father, but it is stupid to not acknowledge the vast priviledges that come from the forefathers business plan. The plan was to make sure that the children of rich white male land owners would profit off the land at the expense of black bodies and souls for GENERATIONS TO COME. White people live in better nieghborhoods, live longer, make way more money, and have access to way more resources and opportunities as a direct result of slavery. Affirmative action programs were created to try to achieve a better balance, but you cannot legislate whats in peoples hearts and minds. True, there are more rich black folks on TV, but our neighborhoods are worse than they've ever been. The white community has benefitted so much from slavery, it's no wonder the media tries to discredit anyone who brings it up.
So now they want to talk about double standards? Don Imus can say "nappy headed ho" because rappers say ho all the time? Are you kidding me? That is wrong on so many levels. First, a rapper claims to be nothing but an artist. As I have said before, an artist responsibility is to be honest with the craft. I don't think it's right to call women bi*ches and hoes, so I don't, if I did, I would be being dishonest with my craft. Don Imus is a journalist and political commentator who wallows in bathroom humor to make up for lack of substance. When it's convenient, he's a comedian. What Imus did had nothing to do with hip hop, do not let them fool you. Hip hop sells, so every time Hannity and Colmes does a show about hip hop, their ratings go up, period. These talking heads on the TV trot out fed up sisters, uncle tom negroes and political vultures who equate hip hop with the devil, but have never heard a record by Lupe Fiasco, the Roots, Immortal Technique, Common, Jean Grae, Little Brother, the Coup, Dead Prez, Zion I and too many other incredible artists to name. They love the earning potential of hip hop, and they how they sound bashing it, but the have zero respect for the art. They sound ignorant.
Many hip hop artists are young black men who have never had the priviledges Imus had growing up. If you have been severly oppressed by white people, and the ramifications of slavery have ensured that your family remains broken and poor, your instinct makes you wary. If a nigga is what you oppressor fears the most, than it is seductive to be the realest nigga out. You attack your women by calling bi*ches and hoes. It is a defense mechanism, because you are scared to love. Love equals loss in your world. These are not exuses, there are reasons. There are also reasons why Imus called the outstanding Rutger's womens team "nappy headed hoes". It is because he is inherently racist and his white priviledge has blinded him to it. His priviledge allows him to believe these were just jokes without specific historical context, when his brain should have told him he's smart enough and experienced enough to know better.
Don't let the TV tell you that this is about hip hop, or rap, or Nelly, or Al Sharpton, or Hilary Clinton, or Timbaland, or Jesse Jackson. This is about a white man who was doing radio long before Bambatta started Zulu Nation or Herc plugged a speaker into a lamppost. He did not need hip hops permission to call Gwen Ifill, a respected journalist, the cleaning lady for the NY Times 15 years ago. If I'm correct, I think he has daughters, but these young black women were objects to him, not people. His objectification made it impossible for him and his producer to imagine that these women were somebody's daughters. Imus has gotten away with many offensive statements, and he will remain an esteemed member of his community, fired or not. Jimmy the Greek was fired for less, as were many others. Imus will be OK. Even if it wasn't justice (which it was), it was karma. I'm glad those women found it in their heart to forgive him, forgiveness is divine. But they had nothing to prove to him. He was fired for losing advertising dollars, not for disrepecting black women. Now is the time to stand by our sisters, and to stand up for our music. The music is our life and we cannot let those who do not participate regulate it for us.

Talib Kweli....Blacksmith is the Movement
http://www.tinyurl.com/2zrmu9

[marcchrome]

^^^^^^^^^ yeah um Talib.... we already know this. Now let's get back to how you got slapped up 5 times for trying to leave and have your way with a drunk bi*ch at a party, by that same drunk bi*ch. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[WiseWordzSpoken]

Sunday, April 15, 2007


The Convenience Of Comedy- Don't Be Fooled By Your TV!!!

For those not familiar with the Willie Lynch letter, it was a business plan drawn up to ensure that blacks would remain in slavery forever. It explained to the slave owner that if you stripped an African of his/her religion and native tongue, made it illegal for an Arican to go to school or learn to read, separate husband from wife, mother from child, and play up differences like light vs. dark, that African would be in a state of mental slavery. There would be no need for chains, the African would have nothing to struggle against. The African would love his white master unconditionally because loving his master would be his only source of pride. The African would hate thyself, particularly the physical traits that exposed African heritage, such as big lips, big noses and black skin and nappy hair. The letter says that if you put these policies into practice on your plantation, the African will not only be mentally enslaved now, but for GENERATIONS TO COME.
This was systematic destruction of the black family. African women were treated as merely breeders, their husbands and babies sold off. They were routinely raped by their slave masters as used as unwilling concubines. As the African family was being dismantled, America traded in the plantation for industry and grew by leaps and bounds. No need for whips and chains, black people would become the country's biggest labor force and consumer source for free, and still love thy master. The ramifications of slavery and the mental damage it has caused is the biggest problem facing black people today. To be honest about how the past affects the present and future is not living in it. To ignore its affect is to be blind. It is the reason why the black family structure is broken, why we go to jail and fail standardized tests at alarming rates. It is the reason why we still think the white doll is nice and pretty and the black one is ugly and bad, in 2007. It is the reason we are racially profiled, and have higher infant mortality rates, and it is the reason we refer to each other as niggas and hoes.
On the flip, this destruction is also the cause of white priviledge in this country. It is silly to hold the son responsible for the sins of his father, but it is stupid to not acknowledge the vast priviledges that come from the forefathers business plan. The plan was to make sure that the children of rich white male land owners would profit off the land at the expense of black bodies and souls for GENERATIONS TO COME. White people live in better nieghborhoods, live longer, make way more money, and have access to way more resources and opportunities as a direct result of slavery. Affirmative action programs were created to try to achieve a better balance, but you cannot legislate whats in peoples hearts and minds. True, there are more rich black folks on TV, but our neighborhoods are worse than they've ever been. The white community has benefitted so much from slavery, it's no wonder the media tries to discredit anyone who brings it up.
So now they want to talk about double standards? Don Imus can say "nappy headed ho" because rappers say ho all the time? Are you kidding me? That is wrong on so many levels. First, a rapper claims to be nothing but an artist. As I have said before, an artist responsibility is to be honest with the craft. I don't think it's right to call women bi*ches and hoes, so I don't, if I did, I would be being dishonest with my craft. Don Imus is a journalist and political commentator who wallows in bathroom humor to make up for lack of substance. When it's convenient, he's a comedian. What Imus did had nothing to do with hip hop, do not let them fool you. Hip hop sells, so every time Hannity and Colmes does a show about hip hop, their ratings go up, period. These talking heads on the TV trot out fed up sisters, uncle tom negroes and political vultures who equate hip hop with the devil, but have never heard a record by Lupe Fiasco, the Roots, Immortal Technique, Common, Jean Grae, Little Brother, the Coup, Dead Prez, Zion I and too many other incredible artists to name. They love the earning potential of hip hop, and they how they sound bashing it, but the have zero respect for the art. They sound ignorant.
Many hip hop artists are young black men who have never had the priviledges Imus had growing up. If you have been severly oppressed by white people, and the ramifications of slavery have ensured that your family remains broken and poor, your instinct makes you wary. If a nigga is what you oppressor fears the most, than it is seductive to be the realest nigga out. You attack your women by calling bi*ches and hoes. It is a defense mechanism, because you are scared to love. Love equals loss in your world. These are not exuses, there are reasons. There are also reasons why Imus called the outstanding Rutger's womens team "nappy headed hoes". It is because he is inherently racist and his white priviledge has blinded him to it. His priviledge allows him to believe these were just jokes without specific historical context, when his brain should have told him he's smart enough and experienced enough to know better.
Don't let the TV tell you that this is about hip hop, or rap, or Nelly, or Al Sharpton, or Hilary Clinton, or Timbaland, or Jesse Jackson. This is about a white man who was doing radio long before Bambatta started Zulu Nation or Herc plugged a speaker into a lamppost. He did not need hip hops permission to call Gwen Ifill, a respected journalist, the cleaning lady for the NY Times 15 years ago. If I'm correct, I think he has daughters, but these young black women were objects to him, not people. His objectification made it impossible for him and his producer to imagine that these women were somebody's daughters. Imus has gotten away with many offensive statements, and he will remain an esteemed member of his community, fired or not. Jimmy the Greek was fired for less, as were many others. Imus will be OK. Even if it wasn't justice (which it was), it was karma. I'm glad those women found it in their heart to forgive him, forgiveness is divine. But they had nothing to prove to him. He was fired for losing advertising dollars, not for disrepecting black women. Now is the time to stand by our sisters, and to stand up for our music. The music is our life and we cannot let those who do not participate regulate it for us.

Talib Kweli....Blacksmith is the Movement
http://www.tinyurl.com/2zrmu9

Damn Co sign to the fullest :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[nation]

talib is the truest

[NAKHI ALLAH]

^^^^^^^^^ yeah um Talib.... we already know this. Now let's get back to how you got slapped up 5 times for trying to leave and have your way with a drunk bi*ch at a party, by that same drunk bi*ch. :lol: :lol: :lol:


oh I did not hear abot that one pls elaborate

[R Dot]

Willie Lynch also won a Nobel Prize for writting on how to keep your slave's.

[Majic_One]

Aww man! We're screwed...........FOR GENERATIONS TO COME!

[DwRecKeR77053]

^^^^^^^^^ yeah um Talib.... we already know this. Now let's get back to how you got slapped up 5 times for trying to leave and have your way with a drunk bi*ch at a party, by that same drunk bi*ch. :lol: :lol: :lol:
yea i had downloaded a small clip of the hot 97 show when they aired it. :lol: here it is

http://www.mediafire.com/?2ze3z2gzotm

[nation]

^ props but fu*k, i hate to hear that sh*t

[tpoker]

props sh*t is tha truth

[tonygee]

willie lynch is fictional

[XwakkawakkaX]

wtf?:thefukk:

[bonghittr]

THe black race was not the only race to be enslaved, but by far you hear more about their plight than any other.... What about when the spaniards came to an island called puerto rico and enslaved its native population. Or the decimation of the aztecs in mexico. OR the classic example of the jews. None of these races/people ask for special treatment or extra opportunities. I myself am hispanic, and I have yet to see the day where is an all hispanic college. ANd dont you dare pull the im a racist card, I was ridiculed, and put down constanly in my younger year for being the only poor hispanic at my school. I hate racism, but what i loathe even more is the reverse racism I have seen since moving to the south. Down here many black people hate whites and they think it is ok for them to do so. i say NO.. fu*k all racism no matter where you are coming from. The United States was a place of refuge for those that have been abused, use, and used some more. But none of these groups that fled to this country have the same problems as prevelant as the black community.

For example. At the jail in the county i live in they only classify poeple as white or black. If your asian your white... if your hispanics, and your dont have the classic stereotyped look of a black man, your white. if your anything but black your white. THe reason for this is that if they counted all the race separately the black population would be more than half of all inmates, while the other races make up the minority.

Also I always hear about racial profiling.... Well it works against all other races too. I cant tell you the number of times ive been pulled over in a w white neighborhood. But i also must admit that if I am in a black neighborhood the chance of getting pulled over is just as high.

Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that there shouldnt be help for people of color, other race than white, but please stop crying about everything, and do something about it.

I know my view is most definitely *not* a popular one, but before your bash on me, take a long. honest.. real.. look at some of the worlds other abused, and mistreated races. Think about it, and think about why u feel the way you do.

[MeziaaL]

^Bleh


Talib spoke the truth..

[DJWho]

THe black race was not the only race to be enslaved, but by far you hear more about their plight than any other.... What about when the spaniards came to an island called puerto rico and enslaved its native population. Or the decimation of the aztecs in mexico. OR the classic example of the jews. None of these races/people ask for special treatment or extra opportunities. I myself am hispanic, and I have yet to see the day where is an all hispanic college. ANd dont you dare pull the im a racist card, I was ridiculed, and put down constanly in my younger year for being the only poor hispanic at my school. I hate racism, but what i loathe even more is the reverse racism I have seen since moving to the south. Down here many black people hate whites and they think it is ok for them to do so. i say NO.. fu*k all racism no matter where you are coming from. The United States was a place of refuge for those that have been abused, use, and used some more. But none of these groups that fled to this country have the same problems as prevelant as the black community.

For example. At the jail in the county i live in they only classify poeple as white or black. If your asian your white... if your hispanics, and your dont have the classic stereotyped look of a black man, your white. if your anything but black your white. THe reason for this is that if they counted all the race separately the black population would be more than half of all inmates, while the other races make up the minority.

Also I always hear about racial profiling.... Well it works against all other races too. I cant tell you the number of times ive been pulled over in a w white neighborhood. But i also must admit that if I am in a black neighborhood the chance of getting pulled over is just as high.

Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that there shouldnt be help for people of color, other race than white, but please stop crying about everything, and do something about it.

I know my view is most definitely *not* a popular one, but before your bash on me, take a long. honest.. real.. look at some of the worlds other abused, and mistreated races. Think about it, and think about why u feel the way you do.


first there are NO ALL BLACK COLLEGES if there is tell me on, you are talking about the south as far as racism i dont know about the south but you will always find racism the people of the middle east or look like it is getting it hard right now, and i dont think Talib Kweli is crying just making a point

u had some good points props on that

[bonghittr]

first there are NO ALL BLACK COLLEGES if there is tell me on, you are talking about the south as far as racism i dont know about the south but you will always find racism the people of the middle east or look like it is getting it hard right now, and i dont think Talib Kweli is crying just making a point

u had some good points props on that


OK well some these have changed in the past few years, that i was not aware of... the Colleges that used to be all black are now called "Historically Black colleges." Now i went through quite a few of their web pages which i located at http://www.uncf.org/members/index.asp

In looking at these colleges i did not see one web graphic that suggested they arent "All Black" But since they dont call themselves "all black" I need to rephrase some of what i said..

When you can show me a "Historically HIspanic college" please let me know (they must be in this country on the mainland... Puerto Rico does not count.

Also I was not saying in any way that Talib was wrong or that he was crying. I do have to point out how many times Americans must be reminded of the time in which Blacks were enslaved. I mean its ridiculous, how is one more report on something that is already accepted as fact is going to change anything.

Tell me please how many times does the same point have to be made. I dont see jewish scholars doing this nor many other races. HOnestly if any group has the right to bi*chs and whine its the jews. But their family structure is still intact, and i mean during the holocaust jews turned on eachother all the time.

And about the racism in the south I am not speaking of whites hating blacks I am saying the opposite is true. Many blacks hate whites, and they think it is their right to do that. Tell me the difference between a racist black man and a racist white man? Its the same thing either way u look at it.

[XwakkawakkaX]

OK well some these have changed in the past few years, that i was not aware of... the Colleges that used to be all black are now called "Historically Black colleges." Now i went through quite a few of their web pages which i located at http://www.uncf.org/members/index.asp

In looking at these colleges i did not see one web graphic that suggested they arent "All Black" But since they dont call themselves "all black" I need to rephrase some of what i said..

When you can show me a "Historically HIspanic college" please let me know (they must be in this country on the mainland... Puerto Rico does not count.

Also I was not saying in any way that Talib was wrong or that he was crying. I do have to point out how many times Americans must be reminded of the time in which Blacks were enslaved. I mean its ridiculous, how is one more report on something that is already accepted as fact is going to change anything.

Tell me please how many times does the same point have to be made. I dont see jewish scholars doing this nor many other races. HOnestly if any group has the right to bi*chs and whine its the jews. But their family structure is still intact, and i mean during the holocaust jews turned on eachother all the time.

And about the racism in the south I am not speaking of whites hating blacks I am saying the opposite is true. Many blacks hate whites, and they think it is their right to do that. Tell me the difference between a racist black man and a racist white man? Its the same thing either way u look at it.


You all need to get off the blacks vs. whites topics because its just constant fu*king complaining when you do.

Talk about some REAL issues...issues that matter, modern day topics not sh*t that happened way back....

Your black, your ancestors were enslaved...im sorry that they had to go through that but stop using that as an excuse to hate

[bonghittr]

You all need to get off the blacks vs. whites topics because its just constant fu*king complaining when you do.

Talk about some REAL issues...issues that matter, modern day topics not sh*t that happened way back....

Your black, your ancestors were enslaved...im sorry that they had to go through that but stop using that as an excuse to hate


I dont know if you completely read my posts.. uhm i basically said the same thing you just said... Well mine was a bit more drawn out, but they still arrived at the same point.

[DJWho]

HBCU was founded by africa americans because they could go to the other major school most of them are public school so if all only blacks were the only ones could go do you think the gov would send them funds? thats why they go the name "Historically Black colleges"

as far as "Historically HIspanic college" i dont know about that subject so im not going to speak on it

we all know there was slaves so...

but as far as jews and blacks the nazi were wrong (at that time people know they were wrong) and people are still going after them to get them in jail after the WWII the jews got there rights back thats how they kept there family structure there as far as slaves people was thinking they was doing them a good i'm not going to go in all the detail because im sure u know after the civil war after many many years the slaves didnt own nothin


and u said the difference between a racist black man and a racist white man its the samething we agree on that my dude

OK well some these have changed in the past few years, that i was not aware of... the Colleges that used to be all black are now called "Historically Black colleges." Now i went through quite a few of their web pages which i located at http://www.uncf.org/members/index.asp

In looking at these colleges i did not see one web graphic that suggested they arent "All Black" But since they dont call themselves "all black" I need to rephrase some of what i said..

When you can show me a "Historically HIspanic college" please let me know (they must be in this country on the mainland... Puerto Rico does not count.

Also I was not saying in any way that Talib was wrong or that he was crying. I do have to point out how many times Americans must be reminded of the time in which Blacks were enslaved. I mean its ridiculous, how is one more report on something that is already accepted as fact is going to change anything.

Tell me please how many times does the same point have to be made. I dont see jewish scholars doing this nor many other races. HOnestly if any group has the right to bi*chs and whine its the jews. But their family structure is still intact, and i mean during the holocaust jews turned on eachother all the time.

And about the racism in the south I am not speaking of whites hating blacks I am saying the opposite is true. Many blacks hate whites, and they think it is their right to do that. Tell me the difference between a racist black man and a racist white man? Its the same thing either way u look at it.

[Woah]

the reason for no "Historically Hispanic Colleges" was, and I think this point was put foward but not fully explained, because Hispanics didn't have that big challenge of being accepted into schools and getting an education. Historically Black Colleges are just that. Not all black colleges, but because they were started by blacks so they good give and recieve an education for their people who were being denied by the other schools. These colleges tend to now be majority black, but also accept other races, because of tradition, eudcaiton, and the good feeling they recieve from being with people who ma have come from an environment they did.

If hispanics had went through this, having that major barrier, and creating schools specifically to break through these barriers, then sure there would be Historically Hispanic Colleges. But that hasn't been the case.

As far as the actual topic of the first post, I feel that Talib Kweli made a great point, and I fully support those statements, but there were also alot of great points made in many of the posts in this thread. I respect all of those who can present their thoughts and opinions in a mature way.

[DJWho]

the reason for no "Historically Hispanic Colleges" was, and I think this point was put foward but not fully explained, because Hispanics didn't have that big challenge of being accepted into schools and getting an education. Historically Black Colleges are just that. Not all black colleges, but because they were started by blacks so they good give and recieve an education for their people who were being denied by the other schools. These colleges tend to now be majority black, but also accept other races, because of tradition, eudcaiton, and the good feeling they recieve from being with people who ma have come from an environment they did.

If hispanics had went through this, having that major barrier, and creating schools specifically to break through these barriers, then sure there would be Historically Hispanic Colleges. But that hasn't been the case.

As far as the actual topic of the first post, I feel that Talib Kweli made a great point, and I fully support those statements, but there were also alot of great points made in many of the posts in this thread. I respect all of those who can present their thoughts and opinions in a mature way.




Thanks my dude

[Tattered_Hoody]

Willie Lynch? People still believe that stuff?

http://www.afro-netizen.com/2003/09/willie_lynch_is.html

I shall remain unforgivably white.

[thecrew]

Willie Lynch? People still believe that stuff?

http://www.afro-netizen.com/2003/09/willie_lynch_is.html

I shall remain unforgivably white.

u dont think crakkaz are evil enough to breed a willie lynch into existence and hide his name from the masses generations after his death? wrong try again...


so u can remaim unforgivably white... but the real question is who's forgiveness are u requesting.. u don't need anyones... u know in ya heart what ur a part of and how white people have oppressed everyone on the face of this planet ...even themselves... talk about self destruction.... when the day comes forth... make sure u bathing in sun block SP101. lol


pce

[jshinn05]

You all need to get off the blacks vs. whites topics because its just constant fu*king complaining when you do.

Talk about some REAL issues...issues that matter, modern day topics not sh*t that happened way back....

Your black, your ancestors were enslaved...im sorry that they had to go through that but stop using that as an excuse to hate

See but it sounds weird when you sh*t that happened way back because racism is still alive I mean I do not condone using that as an excuse for not doing sh*t with your life because my people are good for that but really to say talk about current issues I think its a current issue but there are more things going on in the world than just that but dont just throw racism aside like everything in todays society is all cool.

[SeanP]

I think Talib was pretty much on point in this article.

Tell me the difference between a racist black man and a racist white man?

Racist black men don't string white men from trees...need another?