Never Forget: September 11, 2001 - 6 Years Later

[danny]

This is an event in which I hold near and dear to my heart. Unfortunately, I was there that day, fighting the terrorist attacks that we encountered that morning. I ran into one of those towers and not 10 minutes I ran out did it collapse with people still inside. People I knew and worked with as well as lived around. Firefighters become brothers over time and that's what it felt like I lost that day. Some people try to say that this wasn't a terrorist attack on our country, but rather an attack on our country by our own government. How stupid can one be? I've listened, read, and seen all of the bullsh*t and lies they try to spread and it just disgusts me and it's very disgraceful to the families and loved ones who lost someone that day. They don't want to hear the confusion. They just want peace with whoever passed that day. I won't be able to attend any ceremonies in NY today, but I am attending a ceremony at a local high school and speaking there where I now live in Southern New Jersey. After that I am going to the county Fire Academy to attend another ceremony and then help instruct a class there. This is one very rare occasion in which I may drop a tear for what has happened.

Never Forget September 11, 2001.

[DjAyFresh]

As we will always remember..forever

[bigtrina]

since you had to edit me, I will not post anything towards love for you. If you love the president more than your lost loved ones. I understand.

[y2kash]

you motherfu*kers turned a somber memory that is dear to someones heart and showed no remorse for what happened. i have two family members that are in the FD, three that are military and two that are police, one of whom is my father. it is a hard life for all of them but they have made a commitment to the people of america to be servants who protect and look out for the people. why do they have so much respect from >80% of the nation? its because they selflessly go out of their way to do what the average american wouldn't do and certainly wouldn't cross your fu*king minds.

so to the last five posts:
fu*k YOU

[celphtitled]

Cant ever forget 9/11............its my birthday aswell

[who_mike_odell]

Nobody is gonna 4get it. Everybody knows what today is.

[who_mike_odell]

Never Forget: September 11, 2001 - 6 Years Later

i think he started it to be a reminder, not an argument.

[DGtheGreat]

to the original poster:

i know you dont believe that our government would do something like this, and that you believe everything that has been broadcasted on FOX news and stuff but you need to look outside the box.

i was watching the bill mahr show the other night and one of bill's guests made a good point when bill said "why is the american society so naive to the fact that there is no terrorists and there isnt a war on terrorism going on in iraq." he said that the reason americans believe everything they see on television and everything thats told to them on the news is because they are honest hard working people. Honest people never expect other people to lie right in their faces, especially the people who govern them and that everyone puts their trust in.

lemme let you know a bit about me, i am not a crazy conspiracy theorist and sh*t. i dont buy into alot of the sh*t i see on the web, honestly. but i do know when i see something that is the truth.

check out these vids if you are smart. its not a fake bullsh*t alex jones conspiracy video, this is an MIT scholar who KNOWS what hes talking about and is RESPECTED in our society. he gives his opinion on how the towers were brought down with proof.

and by proof i dont mean "oh 31 arab terrorists hijacked a plane and a guy in a cave keeps sending us video tapes from a hiden location and we are fighting the war on terrorism , the war on terrorism , the war on terrorism , the waaaarrr onnnnn terrorrism" brainwashing propraganda bullsh*t im forced to see everytime i turn on the TV.



9/11 Revisited - MIT Engineer Jeff King Analysis - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEe-2n-5_g)

9/11 Revisited - MIT Engineer Jeff King Analysis - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P2JyU27sg)

[USarmyboy21]

damn shame im out here in iraq and we did nothing for 911 nothing at all happen out here no concert no nothing just sad....
dt

[ZNeevo]

My grandfather was an electrical engineer who worked for the Port Authority of New York/New Jersey and worked on the broadcast antenna and the wiring of the North Tower. Before he was for all intents and purposes incapacitated by Alzheimers he told me stories about his work. Those two buildings were the only ones I could relate to on the skyline, and in my mind they were still there for days after the eleventh.

I lost both a friend and a relative (3 if you count buildings) on 9/11 6 years ago. Back then I was still in high school, and had a view of the tragedy from across the east river. That day was the first (and only) experience I have had that seemed too big to be real.

I still remember wondering if my uncle was alive; he worked above the impact zone in one of the towers. We were distraught the seemingly hopeless situation described by the first (and thankfully exaggerated) casualty figures. We ended up finding him. He is now working on the new buildings planned for the site.

For the next five months I spent evenings with my mom and friends at firehouses throughout Brooklyn in an effort to comfort those that had lost so much more than myself.

Please do not talk about conspiracy theories and cover-ups here, this is not the thread for it and personally I do not believe that topics such as that belong in an Elevated Discussions section.

[danny]

Are you serious, Sasha? If I wanted a thread where I wanted some conspiracy bullsh*t being posted I would have posted one. This thread was made because I used to be a FDNY firrefighter. I WAS there that day and I DID lose more than just one person that day. I lost family and friends. Yes, firefighters join a brotherhood when we become firefighters, but that doesn't make us blind to what really happened. I hate how ignorant people can be to buy into bullsh*t like that conspiracy garbage. Open your eyes. I've already looked outside the box. I was actually there. Were you there? Were you there to see people jumping out of a building almost 100 stories up to their deaths? I saw it up close and in person. So, until you have lived through that death and destruction first hand, don't talk to me about that fu*king bullsh*t. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR IT.

[danny]

y2kash, I thank you for attempting to help me out here. I am forever grateful for that. This is a real life event that has happened and has directly affected me so I really am grateful to you for trying.

[danny]

celphtitled, I sort of feel how you feel. My best friend's birthday is 9-11 and he always tell me how it gets overlooked and how the day is a total waste of a birthday being on that day because of the events on 9-11-2001. I try to do as much as I can for him, but I am only one person and I can only do so much with my own ceremonies and such for the fire department and 9/11. Thank you for your help as well.

[danny]

mike_odell, I thank you for pointing out the obvious reason for this thread. At least a few people know what a thread stands for and means.

[danny]

to the original poster:

i know you dont believe that our government would do something like this, and that you believe everything that has been broadcasted on FOX news and stuff but you need to look outside the box.

i was watching the bill mahr show the other night and one of bill's guests made a good point when bill said "why is the american society so naive to the fact that there is no terrorists and there isnt a war on terrorism going on in iraq." he said that the reason americans believe everything they see on television and everything thats told to them on the news is because they are honest hard working people. Honest people never expect other people to lie right in their faces, especially the people who govern them and that everyone puts their trust in.

lemme let you know a bit about me, i am not a crazy conspiracy theorist and sh*t. i dont buy into alot of the sh*t i see on the web, honestly. but i do know when i see something that is the truth.

check out these vids if you are smart. its not a fake bullsh*t alex jones conspiracy video, this is an MIT scholar who KNOWS what hes talking about and is RESPECTED in our society. he gives his opinion on how the towers were brought down with proof.

and by proof i dont mean "oh 31 arab terrorists hijacked a plane and a guy in a cave keeps sending us video tapes from a hiden location and we are fighting the war on terrorism , the war on terrorism , the war on terrorism , the waaaarrr onnnnn terrorrism" brainwashing propraganda bullsh*t im forced to see everytime i turn on the TV.



9/11 Revisited - MIT Engineer Jeff King Analysis - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEe-2n-5_g)

9/11 Revisited - MIT Engineer Jeff King Analysis - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_P2JyU27sg)

Too bad I don't watch news on TV or the internet or anything, but I still find a way to believe what I saw first hand. Isn't that weird? Actually, it's not. That was sarcasm.

Being an ex-FDNY firefighter and being there doing my job that day, I saw things only a few can say they've seen as well. Yes, it was horrible and I do have nightmares and regrets, but it is the past and it is the factual past. Also, being a firefighter, I have a pretty extensive background in building construction. Being a firefighter in NY, well, that gives me a background in skyscraper construction as well, like the Twin Towers. They were doomed from the start. There was no possible way that they could've withstood the impact, force, and effects of the plane collisions. The fire, jet fuel, actual collision, debris, etc. etc. would've crumbled the towers no mater what. It was inevitable at that point after the planes hit. It was just a matter of time.

[Sonny]

this def. ain't the place for conspiracy theories, much respect for your bravery Danny, and condolences for anyones loss. Its actually 6 years ago now? Feel as if though it was just 2 years or something, remember that moment so vividly. Its kinda the world before, and then after. We were on the right path I felt, and suddenly its a world crisis again.

[Sonny]

Are you serious Sasha? I'm as much a skeptic as anyone towards the political situation in the U.S, neo-conservatist leaders who cut back on individuals rights, yet at the same time give less and less responsibility to government as regards to cover general social welfare on all areas. I've read Gore Vidals book '' eternal peace for eternal war'', which takes on the Oklahoma Bomb scenario and how this may or may not be a horrific account of certain elements of power in the U.S trying to strengthen their position. On the 9/11 attack, regardless of government involvement or not, I think its safe to say that there was a terrorist organisation, called Al Qaida, which was at the centre of it all.

But all of this is for another time and place, the fact of the matter is that you took over a thread written by someone who had their entire life changed by a horrific incident, who lost people they loved, and who bravely tried to save others in a inferno of flames and explosions, and you start talking sh*t to them. Now I don't care if you're ''information'' is truthful, it doesn't really matter, this was a thread meant for someone to memorate the worst day of their lives, and asking people not to forget those who passed away in it. So for you to use this as a place where you show your political stance, and then arrogantly attack the starter of the thread, is really inappropriate and ignorant at best...

[danny]

Your ignorance blinds you, Sasha. I said nothing of life doesn't go on or anything. I simply said that this is not the thread to post anything else but what I intended the thread to be. It's my thread for the event so there's no need.

Who's brainwashed? Because I was there that day and because I strongly feel that we should remember those who died that day I'm brainwashed? You're an idiot. If anyone was brainwashed I would say you were, Sasha, for believing so much in that other bullsh*t, but I won't go into that because that would be disrespectful to the ones who perished.

I deleted the posts for the obvious reason of this isn't the thread to spread your bullsh*t conspiracy theories. I know and talk to that military user. There's nothing wrong with keeping order in my own thread.

[downtown33]

alright, first i feel absolutly terrible for every1 that lost someone in 911, i am thankful to all of the firefighters that gave up so much on that day, i respect your opinions, but the people that bring up the conspiracy thing are not disrespectful, just cause it hurts to believe that the government could do such a thing does not mean you should hate the people that bring it up, it is not a stab in the back to any of you, i personally believe that it was not a government thing, i however do believe that a few elite members inside our government allowed it to happen to fulfill an elitist agenda.

second i lost my cousin and my best friend angelo in afghanistan fighting this bogus war. also at his funeral were those motherfu*kers from kansas protesting with there god hates fags signs. that is a true stab in the back, and im still planning on a revenge. so to all of you that lost some1 on 911 i feel for you, but until you go to the funeral of the closest person youve ever had to you and see a sign that says "thank god for dead soldiers" i really cant have sympathy for a plausible theory offending you

[XwakkawakkaX]

How is exposing the truth of 9/11 dishonoring the dead???

Its actually doing them honor by bringing thier killers to justice.

Im sorry for all who died that day and if you want to stay a blind sheep go ahead....its only your government...nothing serious...

[DGtheGreat]

Too bad I don't watch news on TV or the internet or anything, but I still find a way to believe what I saw first hand. Isn't that weird? Actually, it's not. That was sarcasm.

Being an ex-FDNY firefighter and being there doing my job that day, I saw things only a few can say they've seen as well. Yes, it was horrible and I do have nightmares and regrets, but it is the past and it is the factual past. Also, being a firefighter, I have a pretty extensive background in building construction. Being a firefighter in NY, well, that gives me a background in skyscraper construction as well, like the Twin Towers. They were doomed from the start. There was no possible way that they could've withstood the impact, force, and effects of the plane collisions. The fire, jet fuel, actual collision, debris, etc. etc. would've crumbled the towers no mater what. It was inevitable at that point after the planes hit. It was just a matter of time.

Yea im sure you being a mere fire-fighter you MUST have more "experience in construction". way more then a PHD in PHYSICS from one of the BEST engineering schools in the fu*king WORLD.

Dude my post wasnt meant to offend anyone, but you sir are a class-a idiot to think that just because you have some experience in laying a few bricks and mixing "just add water" concrete and are proficient with a hammer that you know more then a fu*king PHD in Physics and engineering.

Are you a PHD? do you even know what a PHD is? or how prestigous it is to graduate from MIT?

Please view those videos that i posted, the guy pretty much PROVES how the impact of the planes WASNT the reason behind the towers falling, stop being a blind ass fu*king sheep!

[danny]

Yea im sure you being a mere fire-fighter you MUST have more "experience in construction". way more then a PHD in PHYSICS from one of the BEST engineering schools in the fu*king WORLD.

Dude my post wasnt meant to offend anyone, but you sir are a class-a idiot to think that just because you have some experience in laying a few bricks and mixing "just add water" concrete and are proficient with a hammer that you know more then a fu*king PHD in Physics and engineering.

Are you a PHD? do you even know what a PHD is? or how prestigous it is to graduate from MIT?

Please view those videos that i posted, the guy pretty much PROVES how the impact of the planes WASNT the reason behind the towers falling, stop being a blind ass fu*king sheep!

What are you talking about? I didn't take your post as an insult or anything and neither did I say I was smarter at knowing about building construction than that Ph.D. was/is. I merely said that I have more intelligence in building construction than the average person. Also, don't underestimate a firefighters knowledge. Well, I can't speak for every firefighter because we all have different levels of experience and knowledge, but when you have Firefighter 1 and 2 you have a pretty good understanding of building construction to know how one will react to certain fire attacks as well as if and when about it will collapse and such. No, I'm no Ph.D. in physics and such, but I know enough to know that the plane hitting the building had almost a definite effect on the Tower going to collapse under the burning and fire. You're not just talking to a regular firefighter. I have a ton of extra training and education under my belt. Don't take this as an insult. I don't mean it to be. I took a very certain course regarding the Twin Towers and their construction and why they collapsed. When the plane hit it had enough jet fuel to weaken the steel beams used to hold the Towers up. The way the Towers were built made them especially vulnerable to collapse. All of their support was in the middle (where the staircase was). This posed a big problem because when the plane exploded it weakened the support beams towards the top of the building and when each beam met its own support limit it collapsed and with each collapse made it easier for the beam under them to collapse faster. The Towers construction was built like one giant system. Each beam depends on one or more to stay up and keep the building up. Now, this is just a brief building construction display, but I know what I am talking about with what I say and have said.

No disrespect meant so sorry if you took it that way.

[danny]

How is exposing the truth of 9/11 dishonoring the dead???

Its actually doing them honor by bringing thier killers to justice.

Im sorry for all who died that day and if you want to stay a blind sheep go ahead....its only your government...nothing serious...

Because it's not the truth. How is telling the victims' families and friends lies honoring the dead? It's not so it shouldn't be done.

[bigtrina]

Because it's not the truth. How is telling the victims' families and friends lies honoring the dead? It's not so it shouldn't be done.

Ask President Bush the same question. I have a question for you. How do you know if Osama Bin Laden really exist? The man gets more broadcast than ESPN. I am sorry, but the government is riding on people that mourn the lost of a loved one. Bush always makes a claim of people disrespecting, or not honoring the troops. They troop are just doing what they are suppose to do. Does that make the war right?

They have billions of dollars to spend on a meaningless war. Billions also to rebuild all of the sh*t that they blow up. Yet, not one city in America can get beautified by the government. That is the American way. You can be busy hating Arab Muslims, and keep overlooking your so called friends.

[danny]

Ask President Bush the same question. I have a question for you. How do you know if Osama Bin Laden really exist? The man gets more broadcast than ESPN. I am sorry, but the government is riding on people that mourn the lost of a loved one. Bush always makes a claim of people disrespecting, or not honoring the troops. They troop are just doing what they are suppose to do. Does that make the war right?

They have billions of dollars to spend on a meaningless war. Billions also to rebuild all of the sh*t that they blow up. Yet, not one city in America can get beautified by the government. That is the American way. You can be busy hating Arab Muslims, and keep overlooking your so called friends.

What are you talking about? I said nothing of the war, Bush, Osama, or any of that. This thread was made solely to remember the victims that perished that day; nothing else.

To answer your questions, concerns, accusations, etc.:

I hate Bush. I don't know why anyone would vote for him, but I didn't and I've never regretted that decision. He's done SOME good, but his negatives definitel outweigh his positives in my eyes. I thought he should've been taken out of office a long time ago, but that's just me.

I don't really know that Osama did it, but what I DO know is what I saw that day along with the knowledge I already have. Osama didn't have to do it for me to know that a plane was to blame for the most of the collapse of the Twin Towers.

In the beginning, I thought the war was right for retaliating against whoever attacked us, but now I'm not as for the war. I will say this, though: I am for the soldiers although I may not be for the war. I support the troops 100%. I had 3 people just from my firehouse in the military and one is still in Iraq right now so I know somewhat how it feels.

The American government looks to help others rather than helping its home nation. It's a disgraceful fact, but it's true. Again, though, this thread wasn't meant to blame anyone or to point out our nations/worlds shortcomings. It was to remember that day and the victims.

[McBarry]

Some people try to say that this wasn't a terrorist attack on our country, but rather an attack on our country by our own government. How stupid can one be? I.

Some people still don't believe that you let Pearl Harbour happen either.

But you're right don't forget 9/11 let it remind you that your Government shouldn't be allowed to put its nose where it's not wanted.

[XwakkawakkaX]

Because it's not the truth. How is telling the victims' families and friends lies honoring the dead? It's not so it shouldn't be done.

LIES!!!???

you ramble on about how all this is lies yet you have never opened your eyes to the facts

Im sure youve heard of a man named Hitler...right?

Have you heard of the Reichstag fire.....well?

It was a fire set by Hitler....to the Reichstag building...so that he could accuse all of Germany's government of setting it and take control.

And guess what....THE PEOPLE BOUGHT IT

Just like you are buying this terrorist mainstream media bullsh*t.

Id reccomend a movie called Loose Change.....it shows...and gives scientific facts that prove the twin towers could not have been brought down...in thier own footprints by airplanes. Facts...FACTS!

Ignorance is bliss my friend....ignorance is bliss

[bigtrina]

What are you talking about? I said nothing of the war, Bush, Osama, or any of that. This thread was made solely to remember the victims that perished that day; nothing else.

The American government looks to help others rather than helping its home nation. It's a disgraceful fact, but it's true. Again, though, this thread wasn't meant to blame anyone or to point out our nations/worlds shortcomings. It was to remember that day and the victims.

This is pretty much what everyone else has been saying. We said nothing to dishonor the people that has fallen. We do have to remember all of the people whom perished. Yet, we still have to focus on justice.

[Sonny]

Yea im sure you being a mere fire-fighter you MUST have more "experience in construction". way more then a PHD in PHYSICS from one of the BEST engineering schools in the fu*king WORLD.

Dude my post wasnt meant to offend anyone, but you sir are a class-a idiot to think that just because you have some experience in laying a few bricks and mixing "just add water" concrete and are proficient with a hammer that you know more then a fu*king PHD in Physics and engineering.

Are you a PHD? do you even know what a PHD is? or how prestigous it is to graduate from MIT?

Please view those videos that i posted, the guy pretty much PROVES how the impact of the planes WASNT the reason behind the towers falling, stop being a blind ass fu*king sheep!


A ''mere'' fire-fighter. A mere doctor, a mere nurse. Wtf u on about mate.... Really, if you're as intelligent as you say you are, learn to talk to people in a decent way.

''Do you even know what a Phd is ?'' Mate, you could be Einstein for all I care, you're still a twat when acting like that.

[DGtheGreat]

No disrespect meant so sorry if you took it that way.

None taken, I understand you took a WTC training course, but the proffesor in this video has proven that the fire couldnt have been hot enough to make the steel melt.

the office equipment in almost any office building is made so that it doesnt burn/fuel fires. the way the office equipment is designed the fire couldnt get any hotter then it already was. they even explained how the color of the smoke signified that the fire was not hot enough, the smoke was black like you would find in a cooler temperature house fire. clearly not hot enough to melt 47 pillars of pure steel.

you are correct about the structure of the WTC, the support was in the middle, BUT it was speciallized so that if it ever got hit it would occilate then straighten back to normal. it was designed like this so that it could absorb wind gusts and shocks and the potential plane crash. they made it able to resist and withstand impacts such as the planes in 9/11!

also the towers collapsed from the very very top of the building, isnt that kinda strange since it got hit in the middle? wouldnt it collapse from the middle first, since thats where it wouldve been the hottest?

that course you took in WTC training was meant to brainwash you.

[DGtheGreat]

A ''mere'' fire-fighter. A mere doctor, a mere nurse. Wtf u on about mate.... Really, if you're as intelligent as you say you are, learn to talk to people in a decent way.

''Do you even know what a Phd is ?'' Mate, you could be Einstein for all I care, you're still a twat when acting like that.

If you werent such a fu*king idiot you would understand why i addressed him that way.

He basically said he knows just as much as a Phd in physics because hes a figherfighter who took a "training course".

thats like my little 5 year old nephew telling me that he can drive my car on the highway without crashing because he played grand theft auto good.

[highfi]

Too bad I don't watch news on TV or the internet or anything, but I still find a way to believe what I saw first hand. Isn't that weird? Actually, it's not. That was sarcasm.

Being an ex-FDNY firefighter and being there doing my job that day, I saw things only a few can say they've seen as well. Yes, it was horrible and I do have nightmares and regrets, but it is the past and it is the factual past. Also, being a firefighter, I have a pretty extensive background in building construction. Being a firefighter in NY, well, that gives me a background in skyscraper construction as well, like the Twin Towers. They were doomed from the start. There was no possible way that they could've withstood the impact, force, and effects of the plane collisions. The fire, jet fuel, actual collision, debris, etc. etc. would've crumbled the towers no mater what. It was inevitable at that point after the planes hit. It was just a matter of time.

I know your a firefighter, and have experience and all, and I sympathise with you, the victims, and even your country. 9/11 was fu*king horrible. I remember waking up that day, and they said America was under attack, and I thought WW3 had started.


However significant analysis of the building, revealed that there was no way the 47 steel beams in each tower could collapse from impact or fire.

No steel framed skyscraper (aside from 9/11) has ever fallen due to fire. Jet fuel simply does not burn hot enough to melt steel.

Not only did the steel melt, but 2 months later they found a lake of molten steel under the rubble. This just isn't possible from a gasoline fire.

Even the orginal enginners of the twin towers conceded it was not possible.

And even it was the combination of jet impact / jet fuel fire, there was no way on earth that building can fall in 11 seconds (terminal velocity). The only way for that to happen is for the entire building to shatter (controlled explosion), so there is no resistance.

People in the basement and the time, were subject to a blast, minutes before the first plane hit.

And WT7, fire on two floors. That totally does not explain how the building fell in a planned demolition pattern, where the middle beam is blown out, and it crumbles inwards.

Also when steel is cut on controlled demolitions of buildings, its cut on an angle. There is a picture of a piece of steel with an angular cut protruding through the wreckage.


Most like cause of the building falling: Controlled explosion


Sorry for your loss & 9/11

[highfi]

Because it's not the truth. How is telling the victims' families and friends lies honoring the dead? It's not so it shouldn't be done.

The Victims were never honoured by the government.

$100 million dollars was spent impeaching Clinton.

$2 million was orginally allowed by the govt. for the 9/11 commission. (Disgusting)

The families were upset because, it seemed nobody was really listening / answering their questions.

[Sonny]

If you werent such a fu*king idiot you would understand why i addressed him that way.

He basically said he knows just as much as a Phd in physics because hes a figherfighter who took a "training course".

thats like my little 5 year old nephew telling me that he can drive my car on the highway without crashing because he played grand theft auto good.

No he didn't. He said he experienced it first hand. And that counts for a lot, if you are to believe in those theories that you have, he would've heard many explosions go of at the same time. There's many things which that film touches that he can actually verify, more or less. He has fist hand knowledge of that incident, he probably remembers it better than any other day of his life.

The fact is that you actually believe some collague kid walking about with a camera making a '' the truth'' flick, and think the rest of your population is dumb not to believe in it. Well, here's the thing, yes: I believe they knew about it. I believe they could've stopped it. I think its good cause to believe that the Oklahoma bombings was a set-up as well. But they are not '' the government''. You have one of the biggest ones in the world. Certain Elements of the government, yes. But those films out there doesn't give me the right angle to believe in what they say? why , you may say? 'Cause they always, just like those people you hate so much, bend and twist the truth to such an extent that I can't take it seriously. If you wanted , as a people, a thorough investigation by an independent source, I believe you could have gotten one. The problem in the U.S , as I see it, is that people like you, who care about this situation and understand what may lie beneath such things, don't come together and start working towards getting this stuff into the light. I am really, really interested in a thorough investigation, but a 1000 $ documantary doesn't cut it for me, escpecially since they always show some ''proof'' that actually can be verified as not true. To me , like the one guy said in here, a 2 million dolllar ivestigation says it all, somethings fishy here, I agree as to that. And if you want people to change their opinions calling them fu*king idiots and the liking is not the way to do it. So, if you want to answer this post, please read it first, and understand what I'm saying, then we can discuss it.

So you need to understand no one is disagreeing with you in what you may believe in, but the facts are not at the table.

[jskill1]

well I will never forget that day. my dad died 9-11-1989 so I have not like the date since then.

[tweedle-]

Its deep that people had to die for Government profit

but people blow this sh*t out of proportion.

[highfi]

No he didn't. He said he experienced it first hand. And that counts for a lot, if you are to believe in those theories that you have, he would've heard many explosions go of at the same time. There's many things which that film touches that he can actually verify, more or less. He has fist hand knowledge of that incident, he probably remembers it better than any other day of his life.

There were witnesses for the very first explosion, prior to the first plane hitting. They were in the basement of one of the towers (security staff etc), and were blown across the room via an explosion. Then about 20 seconds later they heard the first plane hit.

As for the other explosions, they were timed to go off simulatenously in a sequence. The building fell within seconds after.

On youtube you can actually see explosions bursting out of the building, in various spots.

A controlled explosion is the only way this building could of gone down. Because it fell at the rate of gravity (i.e. no resistance), which can be easily timed when watching the footage.

If it was a mere jetfuel fire that caused it, the steel couldn't of melted, only bent, and the top of the building would of fallen off, like a felled tree.

If it was just impact, the concrete could of collapsed leaving the steel pillars.

Both would of been a combination, but it still wouldn't of fallen in 11 seconds.



The fact is that you actually believe some collague kid walking about with a camera making a '' the truth'' flick, and think the rest of your population is dumb not to believe in it.

There are thousands out there (engineers, physicists etc) who just don't believe a plane cause each building to fall, then that WT7 (steel framed) fell for no reason other than a fire on 2 levels.

Theres also a collective of pilots concerned about the Pentagon crash footage showned on the black box. From all their assessments, the plane wasn't on the right trajectory to hit.



Well, here's the thing, yes: I believe they knew about it. I believe they could've stopped it.

Bush had a written briefing (Presidential Daily Briefing) on August 6th, saying Osama Bin Laden / Al Qaeda was planning a mass attack in the fall of 2001, using commerical airliners. This was ignored..

In fact worse than ignoring it, they made it neraly impossible to prevent.

The military suddenly did a massive training exercise, simulating commerical airliners crashing into strategic targets around the U.S..

There were only 14 interceptors not on exercise, and there was no way for them to identify the real from the simulated hi-jacks.

^^ If you think thats just coincidence, explain why on the 7/7/06 when there was a terrorist attack on the London Tube and Busses, the UK police / M16 / Military were doing an exercise that simulated the exact same event, as those attacks.

^^ In the first attack against the World Trade Centre in 1993, the FBI gave a million dollars to an egyptian terrorist to buy explosives and *simulate* a bombing situation. When an it was questioned whether they were using fake explosives, the director said to use real ones. And the bomb went off killing 19people.



I think its good cause to believe that the Oklahoma bombings was a set-up as well.

Oklahoma was setup. The 1993 world trade centre *terrorist* attack didn't kill enough people to pass anti-terrorist legilsation.

Oklahoma where 170 something people were killed, was a big enough incident to pass laws to lower civil liberties.

The best thing about terrorism, its its an invisible force. Even though you guys know who Bin Laden is, theoretically theres always terrorists out there who want to attack the U.S. So the more you fight it, the more terrorists come out of the woodwork.

This is their ultimate goal, they can frame situation after situation on terrorists, you'll be scared, then they'll pass more legislation to steal your rights and liberties. (e.g. Patriot Act).

Hitler figured this out early on. He bombed his own government building and blamed it on the communist 'terrorists', so he could unite his people in a rage against the "enemy", and pass legislation they think they needed (the enabling act - which destroyed the German Constitution). He then led a series of pre-emptive wars justified to the people to maintain "homeland security" (sound familiar).


An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.
- George W. Bush:


An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland.
- Hitler:



But they are not '' the government''. You have one of the biggest ones in the world. Certain Elements of the government, yes. But those films out there doesn't give me the right angle to believe in what they say? why , you may say? 'Cause they always, just like those people you hate so much, bend and twist the truth to such an extent that I can't take it seriously.

They are the elite families behind it:

The Rothschilds, The Rockefellers, The Morgans, The Warburgs... The Bushes etc. They have a common goal.

The system is setup that people who oppose them are extinguished, via whatever means. The people who support them receive large financial assistance.

Woodrow Wilson: was given large support for his campaign by the elite, in return for passing the FED Act, written by bankers on Jekyll Island (Rockefellers, Morgans, Rothschilds etc).

2 days before Christmas when congress was away with their families, the act was pushed through and Wilson made it Law. Years later he regretted it:

"Our Great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit privately concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilised world. No government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of a majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of men."


Kennedy received a bullet to the head for his openess / honesty about them.


If you wanted , as a people, a thorough investigation by an independent source, I believe you could have gotten one. The problem in the U.S , as I see it, is that people like you, who care about this situation and understand what may lie beneath such things, don't come together and start working towards getting this stuff into the light. I am really, really interested in a thorough investigation, but a 1000 $ documantary doesn't cut it for me, escpecially since they always show some ''proof'' that actually can be verified as not true. To me , like the one guy said in here, a 2 million dolllar ivestigation says it all, somethings fishy here, I agree as to that.

It will never happen. To many people have their fingers in the jar. Its political suicide for them all. Its in their best interests to keep it a secret.

The american people don't want to hear it. Sheeple need leaders.

Every force is against the American people.

The elite control the government, banks, military, schools, hospitals etc. They control everything.

Public Education is getting worse in America because they don't want people to think. Private education is of higher value, so the elite's kids can maintain control.

Television is garbage. They want to provide sensory stimulation to the people, so there is MTV etc. They don't want you asking questions.

The people have no idea, the media is soo biased.

Anyone who does see the truth is automatically calle a Tin-Hat / Conspiracy theorist.

If Sept. 11th was actually a terrorist attack, and not encouraged / executed by the US Govt. It would be the first time after 3 major wars.

WW1 - They sent the Lucitania into German waters despite public German warnings so it would get sunk, and they've have a reason to enter the war to make money.

WW2 - FDR did his best to anger the japanese in a variety of ways. In a written document he states it would be best for the public to see them attack first.

Vietnam - The govt. faked the Gulf of Thompkin incident. Worse still is that once fighting the war, the elite had the rules of engagement changed, then notified the Viet Cong who changed their strategy, allowing for a sustained long-term war.. not a quick win (Same deal with Iraq.)

^^ Worse still, is that the Govt. lifted trade embargo's on Vietnam, knowing the Russians would them supply the North Vietnamese with weapons, since they were free to trade with them under the U.N rules.

In Iraq, two british SAS soldiers, were caught by Iraqi's driving round and shooting into civilian crowds dressed as Muslims, in an attempt to stir religious hatred.. They were caught, but the British stormed the area with tanks and broke them free.


All this makes it impossible for me to believe that a few men in a cave bypassed NORAD, and executed the most ellaborate and effective terrorist attack in world history.

[tazbk]

This is an event in which I hold near and dear to my heart. Unfortunately, I was there that day, fighting the terrorist attacks that we encountered that morning. I ran into one of those towers and not 10 minutes I ran out did it collapse with people still inside. People I knew and worked with as well as lived around. Firefighters become brothers over time and that's what it felt like I lost that day. Some people try to say that this wasn't a terrorist attack on our country, but rather an attack on our country by our own government. How stupid can one be? I've listened, read, and seen all of the bullsh*t and lies they try to spread and it just disgusts me and it's very disgraceful to the families and loved ones who lost someone that day. They don't want to hear the confusion. They just want peace with whoever passed that day. I won't be able to attend any ceremonies in NY today, but I am attending a ceremony at a local high school and speaking there where I now live in Southern New Jersey. After that I am going to the county Fire Academy to attend another ceremony and then help instruct a class there. This is one very rare occasion in which I may drop a tear for what has happened.

Never Forget September 11, 2001.

I respect 9.11 and the surivors/those lost/and those trying to save lives with everything I have but I would rather forget that day. It's a painful memory for me and those weeks where it was all over the televison was just fu*ked up for me. I don't want to be reminded of that every year especially when we are fighting a war that has nothing to do with 9/11, haven't captured the man responsible, and had a mayor (who is running for the presidency) capitalize financially off of 9/11. And then the government fu*ked up getting compensation to the victims. And they still haven't decided what they are going to do with the space that's left. fu*k it, I can't get into this right now.

[SashaTheMan]

danny should be awake by now

[danny]

I've been awake the whole time.

I just don't believe in the same information as everyone else. You (and others) may believe in the conspiracy theories, but I do not. You can argue all you want with me because I won't ever change my mind on this topic.

DG, there are things you posted that are wrong, but I won't get into that because I just got home from a great few days in Wildwood, NJ and I don't want to ruin that feeling.